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<blockquote data-quote="Drifter Bob" data-source="post: 1683551" data-attributes="member: 17723">Yeah, I remember it sounded really odd to me when I was watching a kirosawa samurai flick, and they were talking about fencing.&nbsp; Was that a botched subtitle I just read?&nbsp; But thats the translation... fencing just means the art of self defense with weapons.Including wrestling may seem like a stretch, but it makes more sense when you realise that back in the day, wrestling and grappling were inextricably connected with fencing because fencing was a real to the the death no holds barred thing.&nbsp; Consisder modern &quot;ultimate fighting&quot;, when martial arts were still sports, they were still their seperate sides, boxing was boxing, karate was karate, wrestling was wrestling. When they actually put it to the test in UFC, they learned two things: 1) you need to combine a little bit of everything because you never do know what can happen in a fight, and 2) especially wrestling, because real fights can often degenerate into a wrestling match if you will.This can happen almost as much with fencing, and those old fechtbuchs are not about sport, they are about killing and defending yourself from being killed, they are full of dirty, dirty tricks and make no assumptions about chivalry, contrary to the way some people may think of those eras <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />DB</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Drifter Bob, post: 1683551, member: 17723"] Yeah, I remember it sounded really odd to me when I was watching a kirosawa samurai flick, and they were talking about fencing. Was that a botched subtitle I just read? But thats the translation... fencing just means the art of self defense with weapons. Including wrestling may seem like a stretch, but it makes more sense when you realise that back in the day, wrestling and grappling were inextricably connected with fencing because fencing was a real to the the death no holds barred thing. Consisder modern "ultimate fighting", when martial arts were still sports, they were still their seperate sides, boxing was boxing, karate was karate, wrestling was wrestling. When they actually put it to the test in UFC, they learned two things: 1) you need to combine a little bit of everything because you never do know what can happen in a fight, and 2) especially wrestling, because real fights can often degenerate into a wrestling match if you will. This can happen almost as much with fencing, and those old fechtbuchs are not about sport, they are about killing and defending yourself from being killed, they are full of dirty, dirty tricks and make no assumptions about chivalry, contrary to the way some people may think of those eras ;) DB [/QUOTE]

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