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<blockquote data-quote="Wonka" data-source="post: 4455264" data-attributes="member: 62389"><p>Once again, you are missing the point entirely. This analogy is simply not valid! Its not PLAYERS who need the overview, its the DMs. In your example of the star wars movies, the players would be the viewers. In which case, yes, your example would be a valid one. However, most of us making our points are NOT players, but DMs. In your example, DMs wouldnt be the viewers of Star Wars, they would be the DIRECTOR(s). Are you telling me Star Wars would have been better if the director had NO idea what was going on in the movie? Just shooting the scenes as they were written in order to "keep the spoiling, intentional or unintentional, to a minimum"? How can he know which scences are the most important? Which characters would come back for bigger roles later? Say the director didnt know leia was lukes sister, and decides he didnt like the character, and as such drops the character. Only to find out in a later scene how big of a role she was to play in the movie. Whoops! Would have been nice to know that before hand. Ill say it again: <strong>The directors (DMs in this case) NEED to have the "movie" spoiled.</strong> Please, please, please stop using this argument, as it just doesn't work for the situation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Whats to stop a player from walking into any FLGS, picking up the adventure they are currently running, and flipping through it? What about players who also DM, and just have happened to run the adventure before for another group? We should stop printing modules, lest the players read them and know whats going to happen! This is a problem with a PLAYER. Its up to them to show restraint and not spoil it, not WoTC. <strong>Whats to stop the players from downloading the modules from Dungeon magazine and reading them?</strong> There is NO difference between spoiling the current adventure, and spoiling the entire one, so saying that argument is not valid is perposterous. Should WoTC not make those available lest the players download them and read them and spoil the adventure? Once you have WoTC start withholding information the DMs need, JUST so players cant read it, they are entering the territory of a government. They are not my government, they make the table top RPG that I play. </p><p></p><p>Basically my conclusion comes down to this. You do not DM.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wonka, post: 4455264, member: 62389"] Once again, you are missing the point entirely. This analogy is simply not valid! Its not PLAYERS who need the overview, its the DMs. In your example of the star wars movies, the players would be the viewers. In which case, yes, your example would be a valid one. However, most of us making our points are NOT players, but DMs. In your example, DMs wouldnt be the viewers of Star Wars, they would be the DIRECTOR(s). Are you telling me Star Wars would have been better if the director had NO idea what was going on in the movie? Just shooting the scenes as they were written in order to "keep the spoiling, intentional or unintentional, to a minimum"? How can he know which scences are the most important? Which characters would come back for bigger roles later? Say the director didnt know leia was lukes sister, and decides he didnt like the character, and as such drops the character. Only to find out in a later scene how big of a role she was to play in the movie. Whoops! Would have been nice to know that before hand. Ill say it again: [B]The directors (DMs in this case) NEED to have the "movie" spoiled.[/B] Please, please, please stop using this argument, as it just doesn't work for the situation. Whats to stop a player from walking into any FLGS, picking up the adventure they are currently running, and flipping through it? What about players who also DM, and just have happened to run the adventure before for another group? We should stop printing modules, lest the players read them and know whats going to happen! This is a problem with a PLAYER. Its up to them to show restraint and not spoil it, not WoTC. [B]Whats to stop the players from downloading the modules from Dungeon magazine and reading them?[/B] There is NO difference between spoiling the current adventure, and spoiling the entire one, so saying that argument is not valid is perposterous. Should WoTC not make those available lest the players download them and read them and spoil the adventure? Once you have WoTC start withholding information the DMs need, JUST so players cant read it, they are entering the territory of a government. They are not my government, they make the table top RPG that I play. Basically my conclusion comes down to this. You do not DM. [/QUOTE]
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