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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kai Lord" data-source="post: 1328813" data-attributes="member: 3570">Nope.  Anakin wasn't redeemed when Luke said the line.  He was the villain.  Luke realized that he couldn't talk his father into converting, so he struck him down to save his sister.  But he refrained from killing him so his own soul wouldn't be consumed by darkness."...like my father before me," was said to honor the man Vader once was.Luke said "You failed, your highness..." because the Emperor lost.  He lost having either Skywalker as a henchman and soon he'd be vaporized in the explosion of the Death Star.That's why Luke was able to stand confident while completely defenseless.  He knew it was over for all of them, they'd all be dead, but he'd won.  Good won.  The bad guys would die and no one else would be corrupted (particularly himself or his sister.)But it would be a bittersweet victory because Luke would lose his life and Vader his soul...until Vader took inspiration in the cries of his son and turned back at the last possible moment.  So it wasn't Vader's redemption that everything boiled down to or saved the day, it just made the victory extra sweet with cherry on top.Luke wasn't out to save himself "from being destroyed."  He was trying to restore freedom to the galaxy by becoming a Jedi and destroying the Empire.  Redeeming Vader was a personal thing, and a revelation of his enlightened character.It was the final test in becoming a Jedi, and in stark contrast to his failure in the cave on Dagobah and Cloud City.  The cave and Bespin taught Luke that if you go looking for a fight, you become what you seek to destroy and won't be a Jedi.He walked into the cave looking for a fight.  He approached Vader in the carbon freezing chamber looking for a fight (note who first ignited a lightsaber, it wasn't Vader.)  In Return of the Jedi, Luke had grown.  He had to face Vader again to become a Jedi according to Yoda, but he also couldn't do it with the intent to directly destroy.Enter his quest to redeem the Sith Lord.  His only path to becoming a Jedi, and with great sentimental benefits.  And in his quest to redeem he finally discovered what it meant to be a Jedi, even when he couldn't convert his father.  And once he was a Jedi it was all over for the bad guys.  The residual benefit being Anakin's redemption anyway and Luke's survival.Whew, I haven't had an in depth discussion about the original Star Wars trilogy in I don't know how long.  Thanks guys!   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> The one where he's the corrupted version of the hero, is spared by the hero, and then destroys the source of evil power for the hero...</blockquote>

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