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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yair" data-source="post: 2554995" data-attributes="member: 10913">Actually, the Outlands are also described as inifnite but are effectively about 1200 feet in radius.I agree that we better stick to the official version of things as much as possible, though, and that the spire-climbing scene can be great; ditch the infinite spire shtick.WELLL....The Lady of Pain does not allow deities (and proxies etc) into her realm. I haven't read anything that will lead me to believe she places any limit on the power level of those who enter per se, I don't see why she would have a problem with level 100 characters walking in. Nothing in canon, I think, indicates she will even know.I am not sure why you're saying she is a CR 210 creature. I know there is the dicefreaks version of her as a CR 208 being, but this is a fan site and as you noted fan-based material is not cannon material, we want to stick to WotC cannon as much as we can in this project.  I am not at ALL inclined to believe the CR 208 estimation of dicefreaks: our level 100 characters have ~3,000 hp, do you think they will have ~15,000 at level 200?! I don't. I likewise don't believe many of her other statistics, like AC or overcoming immunities or being able to develop any epic spell immediately at no cost, are approriate for a CR 200 or for that matter for any creature. At any rate, at the power level she is presented at dicefreaks there is absolutely no point in using her statistics in the adventure, she might as well (and more simply) be left as effectively all-powerful within her demense.I agree with Sage, on rereading the plot suggestions, that they seem to push the PCs too much. I think we should do the prodding a little more gently.Specifically, I think encounters with overpowering opponents should be kept down to a minimum. This is a LEVEL 100 adventure, no one is going to play at these power levels normally so the characters need to be POWERFUL. The challenges should mostly lie in figuring out when and how to flex their power, and they should not be feeling overpowered as that diminishes the whole idea of playing at such a high power level. A few overpowering encounters/creatures are fine, but they really should be taken down a notch.If I were to stat the Lady of Pain, for this adventure, I would make her about equal in power to the PCs in combat ability, so the PCs could take her if they united forces and acted wisely. Just to open up options; I'm a strong believer in giving the PCs options and not letting NPCs overshadow them.I would also give her some unique powers the PCs don't have and won't have even if they killed her, such as the ability to control the portals in the City of Doors. That way the Lady may need their aid (as she can't leave her city, for example), and the PCs may need her aid (for getting those portals working like they want them to), and there is room for maneauvering.</blockquote>

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