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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 60970" data-attributes="member: 172">Does anyone else see the same problem here that I do?You are stating what you want to do in mechanical terms... e.g. arcane spells versus divine spells. That sounds mildly like metagaming to me. If you were to express this in terms of the basic concepts, I see little or no problem with writing up this character as a cleric/sorcerer.If that didn't satisfy you and you satisfy your DM that you are not trying to be a weasel by sneaking in arcane type spells under the divine banner, I could see the DM invoking the suggestion in the PHB that lets the DM swap abilities... swap armor ability for access to fire spells at 1 level higher than the sorcerer/wizard list.That said, I do think that the system needs a more rigorous method for tweaking class abilities... as I have said in the past, the one main thing I miss about 2e is Skills & Powers. But even that book was rife with abuse.Would I jump ship for a classless system and accept all of its foibles to get that? No, I will make the call and be comfortable with that. As with many things, there is a tradeoff to be had here.But I still maintain totally classless is an empty cup.</blockquote>