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<blockquote data-quote="WaterRabbit" data-source="post: 61935" data-attributes="member: 2445">Look, the only way to decide whether you like a structured class-based/level-based system like 3E vs. a system that does not use either classes or levels it to play in them.&nbsp; As both a player and storyteller, I have found that systems like Hero, Gurps, and Shadowrun offer more FLEXIBILITY than 3E.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Shadowrun, for example, has no classes or levels.&nbsp; It does have archetypes that allow a player to create a character very quickly, either by taking the archetype (think 3e starting package) or adjusting it to match your character concept.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The advantage of class/level systems are primarily that of ease.&nbsp; A 3e party is easy to pigeon hole and easy to create pre-packaged adventures to fit.&nbsp; Classes give everyone a defined role and help foster cooperation.&nbsp; Even with 3E, I write all of my own adventures.&nbsp; However, I find preparing for a game session to be as much or more work than with a classless/leveless system -- especially when the player get above 12th level.&nbsp; So, the easy of use that 3E is supposed to generate I don't see.&nbsp; Additionally, I prefer to playand run at the 5th to 9th level power range.&nbsp; Other systems model this range of play much better IMO.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; My personal tastes go toward systems that don't use levels for sure.&nbsp; I don't care much for classes either.&nbsp; I do like the archetype concept because it provides a starting point for character creation.&nbsp; I would definitely agree with most other posters that the Fighter Class is the most flexible.&nbsp; Really a single class that used this template would be much easier.&nbsp; You just have to balance feats.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The cool thing about a system like Hero is that you can create your own spells and powers.&nbsp; Sovereign Stone has added that feature to d20.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; However your last point, the one that I quoted, I disagree with. 3E creates more of a GM dictatorship than any other system I have played under.&nbsp; &quot;Game balance&quot; is such a holy grail with 3E, I think it often gets in the way with what is fun.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I primarily run 3E and play 3E because it is currently easier to find gaming companions right now.&nbsp; However, if I could find the right group of players that I both enjoyed their company and they liked pretty much any other system, I would be there in a minute.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WaterRabbit, post: 61935, member: 2445"] Look, the only way to decide whether you like a structured class-based/level-based system like 3E vs. a system that does not use either classes or levels it to play in them. As both a player and storyteller, I have found that systems like Hero, Gurps, and Shadowrun offer more FLEXIBILITY than 3E. Shadowrun, for example, has no classes or levels. It does have archetypes that allow a player to create a character very quickly, either by taking the archetype (think 3e starting package) or adjusting it to match your character concept. The advantage of class/level systems are primarily that of ease. A 3e party is easy to pigeon hole and easy to create pre-packaged adventures to fit. Classes give everyone a defined role and help foster cooperation. Even with 3E, I write all of my own adventures. However, I find preparing for a game session to be as much or more work than with a classless/leveless system -- especially when the player get above 12th level. So, the easy of use that 3E is supposed to generate I don't see. Additionally, I prefer to playand run at the 5th to 9th level power range. Other systems model this range of play much better IMO. My personal tastes go toward systems that don't use levels for sure. I don't care much for classes either. I do like the archetype concept because it provides a starting point for character creation. I would definitely agree with most other posters that the Fighter Class is the most flexible. Really a single class that used this template would be much easier. You just have to balance feats. The cool thing about a system like Hero is that you can create your own spells and powers. Sovereign Stone has added that feature to d20. However your last point, the one that I quoted, I disagree with. 3E creates more of a GM dictatorship than any other system I have played under. "Game balance" is such a holy grail with 3E, I think it often gets in the way with what is fun. I primarily run 3E and play 3E because it is currently easier to find gaming companions right now. However, if I could find the right group of players that I both enjoyed their company and they liked pretty much any other system, I would be there in a minute. [/QUOTE]

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