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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 62985" data-attributes="member: 172">1) I don't "not want them separated from prestige classes" (that's really what feats are). Rather, I feel that prestige classes have value in that they already have a modicum of balance, logic, and conceptual integrity built it. I don't like it for what it's not. I like it for what it IS, and this converse-rephrasing of yours has led you to misquote or misinterperet me on multiple occasions.2) I am not just concerned about balance (though that is an issue). I am as much or more concerned about the solidity and beleivability of the character concept when all is said and done.3) I don't beleive I have EVER pooh-poohed those who are reluctant to dive into the rules, because it is a sentiment that I understand perfectly.Again, no. For the third time (and the last time... my rule on internet debating is that once you have repeated something three times, if they still don't get it, they never will): I do beleive that they need a more solid method of tweaking or building classes.However, that does not mean that the ability ideas are not there.As I have said repeatedly, I agree they need a more concrete method. However, that doesn't making invoking it unfair, as the DMG advocates and provides basic guidelines for the construction of your own prestige classes classes, so it's not like I am telling you to do something the system doesn't already encourage.Hmmm... I situationally disagree. I find that some supplements, like Sword & Fist, tend to have a large amount of classes that are "just what a player is looking for". DotF, on the other hand, has a pretty high miss-ratio.That said, I find that players are a highly suggestable lot. The "I gotta have it just this way" type of player that skilled based systems advocates prop up are actually quite rare in reality... and even where they do exist, skill based systems often fail to meet the mark because the point total alloted the player or the mere foibles of the mecanics puts the concept out of reach. IME, most players only have a few general concepts of what they want to play, and are highly suggestable to interesting concepts inspired by game materials or even pictures, and just build on the concept from there. Which is sort of the idea. (Heck, I remember a 2e wild mage that I wrote up JUST so he could cast the Darklight's Planar Weapon spells.) I frequently see this sort of behavior.</blockquote>

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