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<blockquote data-quote="Skywalker" data-source="post: 63692" data-attributes="member: 1538">No I understood your point everytime you have made it.&nbsp; Two points that you fail to recognise though is that:1. GURPS is not the only classless system.&nbsp; Unknown is a very good example of a balanced classless system.&nbsp; 2.&nbsp; There is a spectrum of how far classes are applied.&nbsp; By lumping together any system with a hint of class I think you distort much of the discussion here.&nbsp; But we have already gone over this <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp;Agreed but the opposite is also true as you pointed out.&nbsp; Classes are a tool.&nbsp; Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.&nbsp;You did mention that in CoC a person was able to take use the career system to make a powerful character.&nbsp; You seem to suggest that this was a problem arising from the ability to pick whatever skills you wanted and this arises from a lack of defined class.&nbsp; This seemed to coincidence with you thoughts on &quot;hand-holding&quot;.&nbsp; I didn't want to explain this all out because I think it was clear from my post.&nbsp; If its wasn't I apologise.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Skywalker, post: 63692, member: 1538"] No I understood your point everytime you have made it. Two points that you fail to recognise though is that: 1. GURPS is not the only classless system. Unknown is a very good example of a balanced classless system. 2. There is a spectrum of how far classes are applied. By lumping together any system with a hint of class I think you distort much of the discussion here. But we have already gone over this :) Agreed but the opposite is also true as you pointed out. Classes are a tool. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. You did mention that in CoC a person was able to take use the career system to make a powerful character. You seem to suggest that this was a problem arising from the ability to pick whatever skills you wanted and this arises from a lack of defined class. This seemed to coincidence with you thoughts on "hand-holding". I didn't want to explain this all out because I think it was clear from my post. If its wasn't I apologise. [/QUOTE]

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