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<blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 6768075" data-attributes="member: 45197"><p>Hiya!</p><p></p><p> [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] ...yup. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /> I agree with you completely. Zero chance of any of what I want to see happen. So, for me and pretty much my entire group, we are, for all intents and purposes, "finished buying 5e stuff". I know we aren't exactly WotC's target...but we <em>were</em>. And that's the sad part. </p><p></p><p>If 4e was geared towards the younger, gotta-have-it-now, MMORPG-style gamer...well, we saw what happened there (D&D knocked off #1 and their HUGE market share reduced significantly). So what did they do next? Sat down and probably said to themselves <em>"Well guys, the OSR has really taken off. New gamers are coming in...to play old games, not 4e so much any more. Maybe we should hit up the other side of the coin? The older folks. The ones who grew up with a little brown box of photocopied pages of a typed out rules set and the ones who started when Disco was just nearing it's end, or the slightly younger ones who started with the Basic D&D box set, with the chits or the chewy dice you had to colour in with crayons. Yeah, those guys. I mean, what could it hurt? Lets do a play test and see what happens..."</em>.</p><p></p><p>...and we get 5e. More "old skool" style of "rulings, not rules", of "if it's not in the book...make it up!", of "the DM is the final decider of stuff in the game", and where finding a +2 sword is <em>fricking awesome</em>, as opposed to "oh, well, yeah...I bought three of those back at that last town, just to be safe; kinda have to have it or I'll die". What happened there? BOOM! D&D rockets back to #1, great press, surge of positive feelings and praise (at least quite a bit more than any negative-Nancy blog-bitching), and FLGS's that can't keep 5e on the shelves (at least here; if a batch of 5e stuff came in, it was gone in two days...tops).</p><p></p><p>The sad thing? Now that 5e is "successful again" they seem to be slipping back towards the "<em>Yeah! Awesome! I know! Lets put stuff out for the younger, gotta-have-it now, MMORPG style gamer via a big 'story tie in' between all the D&D stuff! Video games, novels, supplements for those video games, etc. Oohhh...! We can have a big story line, and then divide it up among different products! A video game can have one part, novels can move the story along in another part, a supplemental RPG book can piece some other things together, that kind of thing. That way, everyone will by all this stuff because, well, it's new and the only way to really 'get' the whole story! While we're at it, lets drop that old Forum and move on to what all the kewl kids use now...social media! What could possibly go wrong?</em>" <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Yes, I know I'm being a bit of a negative Nancy here myself, I see that. But my point is this: They brought D&D back to #1 and massive appeal via "catering" to the "grognards" and "old skool" folk and style of gaming. Now that they are back on top, it's like they are kicking all these folks (which includes me in that camp), to the side. Like they are blinded by their success, and can't see that their success isn't because of some huge, over reaching "epic story line" that is spread out over some fictitious idea of "D&D isn't an RPG...it's a <em>brand</em>" (whomever came up with that beauty needs a swift kick to the donkey snacks, IMNSHO). Their success is because the people who bought in to 5e did so because it offered a slick, easy to use, OSR style rules system of D&D. Not because of a big story line. Not because of a video game (or the promise of one). Not because of full-colour glossy pages. Not because of marketing. It was because it is well written, easy to play, adaptable to many styles of play, and is set up to empower the DM and players to make their own stuff. Just look at the data we just saw here on this site about how most folk are using home-brewed worlds for their campaigns...not Forgotten Realms, Ebberon, Greyhawk, etc. To suddenly think that "everyone" is going to want to buy FR books, novels and video games 'using' D&D as a brand is, IMH, folly. I think it's going to bite them in the ass much sooner than later.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, yeah. My dream of a b/w PDF "campaign document" for the old TSR worlds of Greyhawk, Birthright, Dark Sun, etc, are just that. Dreams. But, I'm a gamer. Dreaming is kind of my bag, baby! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>^_^</p><p></p><p>Paul L. Ming</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pming, post: 6768075, member: 45197"] Hiya! [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] ...yup. :( I agree with you completely. Zero chance of any of what I want to see happen. So, for me and pretty much my entire group, we are, for all intents and purposes, "finished buying 5e stuff". I know we aren't exactly WotC's target...but we [I]were[/I]. And that's the sad part. If 4e was geared towards the younger, gotta-have-it-now, MMORPG-style gamer...well, we saw what happened there (D&D knocked off #1 and their HUGE market share reduced significantly). So what did they do next? Sat down and probably said to themselves [I]"Well guys, the OSR has really taken off. New gamers are coming in...to play old games, not 4e so much any more. Maybe we should hit up the other side of the coin? The older folks. The ones who grew up with a little brown box of photocopied pages of a typed out rules set and the ones who started when Disco was just nearing it's end, or the slightly younger ones who started with the Basic D&D box set, with the chits or the chewy dice you had to colour in with crayons. Yeah, those guys. I mean, what could it hurt? Lets do a play test and see what happens..."[/I]. ...and we get 5e. More "old skool" style of "rulings, not rules", of "if it's not in the book...make it up!", of "the DM is the final decider of stuff in the game", and where finding a +2 sword is [I]fricking awesome[/I], as opposed to "oh, well, yeah...I bought three of those back at that last town, just to be safe; kinda have to have it or I'll die". What happened there? BOOM! D&D rockets back to #1, great press, surge of positive feelings and praise (at least quite a bit more than any negative-Nancy blog-bitching), and FLGS's that can't keep 5e on the shelves (at least here; if a batch of 5e stuff came in, it was gone in two days...tops). The sad thing? Now that 5e is "successful again" they seem to be slipping back towards the "[I]Yeah! Awesome! I know! Lets put stuff out for the younger, gotta-have-it now, MMORPG style gamer via a big 'story tie in' between all the D&D stuff! Video games, novels, supplements for those video games, etc. Oohhh...! We can have a big story line, and then divide it up among different products! A video game can have one part, novels can move the story along in another part, a supplemental RPG book can piece some other things together, that kind of thing. That way, everyone will by all this stuff because, well, it's new and the only way to really 'get' the whole story! While we're at it, lets drop that old Forum and move on to what all the kewl kids use now...social media! What could possibly go wrong?[/I]" ;) Yes, I know I'm being a bit of a negative Nancy here myself, I see that. But my point is this: They brought D&D back to #1 and massive appeal via "catering" to the "grognards" and "old skool" folk and style of gaming. Now that they are back on top, it's like they are kicking all these folks (which includes me in that camp), to the side. Like they are blinded by their success, and can't see that their success isn't because of some huge, over reaching "epic story line" that is spread out over some fictitious idea of "D&D isn't an RPG...it's a [I]brand[/I]" (whomever came up with that beauty needs a swift kick to the donkey snacks, IMNSHO). Their success is because the people who bought in to 5e did so because it offered a slick, easy to use, OSR style rules system of D&D. Not because of a big story line. Not because of a video game (or the promise of one). Not because of full-colour glossy pages. Not because of marketing. It was because it is well written, easy to play, adaptable to many styles of play, and is set up to empower the DM and players to make their own stuff. Just look at the data we just saw here on this site about how most folk are using home-brewed worlds for their campaigns...not Forgotten Realms, Ebberon, Greyhawk, etc. To suddenly think that "everyone" is going to want to buy FR books, novels and video games 'using' D&D as a brand is, IMH, folly. I think it's going to bite them in the ass much sooner than later. Anyway, yeah. My dream of a b/w PDF "campaign document" for the old TSR worlds of Greyhawk, Birthright, Dark Sun, etc, are just that. Dreams. But, I'm a gamer. Dreaming is kind of my bag, baby! ;) ^_^ Paul L. Ming [/QUOTE]
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