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<blockquote data-quote="Glyfair" data-source="post: 2120581" data-attributes="member: 53">I don't think he's a &quot;good&quot; vampire king.&nbsp; He's just good in comparison to Vol.&nbsp; After all [Spoiler]he's had his grandson imprisoned solely to take his place and run his kingdom.[/Spoiler]I don't see how you consider it a &quot;good&quot; coven of hags who rule.&nbsp; There is a slight tendancy towards neutrality.&nbsp; They certainly aren't good.&nbsp; Indeed, [Spoiler]one of the most widespread criminal organizations is run by one of them (and it's not a &quot;good&quot; criminal organization, either dealing in a brisk drug trade among other unsavory things).[/Spoiler]While there is a &quot;good&quot; high priest, she's pretty much the chosen for her religion.&nbsp; However, there is plenty of corruption in the organization she leads.&nbsp; Also, even the &quot;good&quot; things the religion does is certainly borderline at times.Yes, all of the people you mention aren't BBEG.&nbsp; Oddly enough, they seem to want their kingdom's to prosper.&nbsp; The hobgoblin uses threats of force to keep his &quot;subjects&quot; in line.&nbsp; He's made pacts of peace with surrounding countries because he recognizes they could crush him if they didn't.&nbsp; In general, in Eberron, I think the major players are deliberately set up as gray areas (some darker than others, some lighter).&nbsp; Having a straightforward evil ruler that no PC should ever want to deal with would be too cliche' for this setting (at least cliche' in a way the setting isn't directed).&nbsp; There area few exceptions (the Daelkyr, the Quori), but they are reasonably few.&nbsp; Even the obvious targets have their good points (the Lord of Blades, for example).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Glyfair, post: 2120581, member: 53"] I don't think he's a "good" vampire king. He's just good in comparison to Vol. After all [Spoiler]he's had his grandson imprisoned solely to take his place and run his kingdom.[/Spoiler] I don't see how you consider it a "good" coven of hags who rule. There is a slight tendancy towards neutrality. They certainly aren't good. Indeed, [Spoiler]one of the most widespread criminal organizations is run by one of them (and it's not a "good" criminal organization, either dealing in a brisk drug trade among other unsavory things).[/Spoiler] While there is a "good" high priest, she's pretty much the chosen for her religion. However, there is plenty of corruption in the organization she leads. Also, even the "good" things the religion does is certainly borderline at times. Yes, all of the people you mention aren't BBEG. Oddly enough, they seem to want their kingdom's to prosper. The hobgoblin uses threats of force to keep his "subjects" in line. He's made pacts of peace with surrounding countries because he recognizes they could crush him if they didn't. In general, in Eberron, I think the major players are deliberately set up as gray areas (some darker than others, some lighter). Having a straightforward evil ruler that no PC should ever want to deal with would be too cliche' for this setting (at least cliche' in a way the setting isn't directed). There area few exceptions (the Daelkyr, the Quori), but they are reasonably few. Even the obvious targets have their good points (the Lord of Blades, for example). [/QUOTE]

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