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<blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 895886" data-attributes="member: 94"><p>Well, NO, it isn't particularly mature. [blink blink] It's not meant to be handled in a mature or realistic fashion, either. I don't want realistic violence, I want ACTION. There's a difference. I go to the movies to see The Matrix, not to watch reels of live executions. </p><p></p><p>You can't draw such a distinction with romance. People WANT romance to be realistic-- whether it is at the movies or at the gaming table. They want to feel genuine emotion, to be immersed in the story. </p><p></p><p>It doesn't require nearly as much skill to master an action sequence as it does romance. There is a huge, huge gap in amount of suspension of disbelief required of action vs. romance. Romance is difficult to do properly and sticks out like a sore thumb when it's done poorly. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The purpose of a rulebook is to provide rules. That's what I do. Design, balance, mathematics and probability, all that jazz that can describe the swing and impact of a hammer or help define an economic system but which experience and common sense shows to be completely inapplicable to matters of deep, meaningful human interaction. </p><p></p><p>I think I've been pretty clear about my position that <strong>maturely addressed</strong> romance defies rules. And in the end, we're in complete agreement on that point. You don't really need a rulebook, you need someone to <em>show you</em> how to deftly handle the material. If the book can do that, great. I <em>want</em> that to happen; that would be a reaffirming experience.</p><p></p><p>Will that need be addressed in the chapter on magical venereal diseases? Or will I pick it up by osmosis from the "mature" bondage pics?</p><p></p><p>(Just as an aside, that's one of the reasons I consistently recommend stuff written by Piratecat and Creative Mountain Mark. They have a knack, not just for telling, but for <em>showing</em> the DM how to be a better DM. So it can be done-- but can it be done with romance? I remain a skeptic.)</p><p></p><p>I've been paying attention, not just to the press release, but to the author's threads, so my suspicions are not based on any more ignorance of the product than anyone else at this point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who's in a furor? I'm checking out this thread, sure, but I'm certainly not up in arms against the book or worried that it's going to ruin the game, blah blah blah. <strong>I just think it's a goofy book.</strong> Maybe you'd <em>like</em> for me to be in a furor about it, sort of mirror your own interest; or maybe you'd like to marginalize my opinion by describing it as "fear and ignorance," as if you were somehow more mature about sexual themes in general but... bleh. </p><p></p><p>The subject matter just really doesn't interest me (as I said from the outset).</p><p></p><p>I will admit to a curiosity as to whether or not it will make better DMs, or simply encourage bad DMs to worse by giving them a false impression that they are somehow better equipped to roleplay a meaningful romantic encounter, or to weave it into the campaign in a lasting, believable way.</p><p></p><p>Wulf</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wulf Ratbane, post: 895886, member: 94"] Well, NO, it isn't particularly mature. [blink blink] It's not meant to be handled in a mature or realistic fashion, either. I don't want realistic violence, I want ACTION. There's a difference. I go to the movies to see The Matrix, not to watch reels of live executions. You can't draw such a distinction with romance. People WANT romance to be realistic-- whether it is at the movies or at the gaming table. They want to feel genuine emotion, to be immersed in the story. It doesn't require nearly as much skill to master an action sequence as it does romance. There is a huge, huge gap in amount of suspension of disbelief required of action vs. romance. Romance is difficult to do properly and sticks out like a sore thumb when it's done poorly. The purpose of a rulebook is to provide rules. That's what I do. Design, balance, mathematics and probability, all that jazz that can describe the swing and impact of a hammer or help define an economic system but which experience and common sense shows to be completely inapplicable to matters of deep, meaningful human interaction. I think I've been pretty clear about my position that [b]maturely addressed[/b] romance defies rules. And in the end, we're in complete agreement on that point. You don't really need a rulebook, you need someone to [i]show you[/i] how to deftly handle the material. If the book can do that, great. I [i]want[/i] that to happen; that would be a reaffirming experience. Will that need be addressed in the chapter on magical venereal diseases? Or will I pick it up by osmosis from the "mature" bondage pics? (Just as an aside, that's one of the reasons I consistently recommend stuff written by Piratecat and Creative Mountain Mark. They have a knack, not just for telling, but for [i]showing[/i] the DM how to be a better DM. So it can be done-- but can it be done with romance? I remain a skeptic.) I've been paying attention, not just to the press release, but to the author's threads, so my suspicions are not based on any more ignorance of the product than anyone else at this point. Who's in a furor? I'm checking out this thread, sure, but I'm certainly not up in arms against the book or worried that it's going to ruin the game, blah blah blah. [b]I just think it's a goofy book.[/b] Maybe you'd [i]like[/i] for me to be in a furor about it, sort of mirror your own interest; or maybe you'd like to marginalize my opinion by describing it as "fear and ignorance," as if you were somehow more mature about sexual themes in general but... bleh. The subject matter just really doesn't interest me (as I said from the outset). I will admit to a curiosity as to whether or not it will make better DMs, or simply encourage bad DMs to worse by giving them a false impression that they are somehow better equipped to roleplay a meaningful romantic encounter, or to weave it into the campaign in a lasting, believable way. Wulf [/QUOTE]
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