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Sexism in Table-Top Gaming: My Thoughts On It, and What We Can Do About It
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<blockquote data-quote="Libertad" data-source="post: 6203260" data-attributes="member: 6750502"><p>Sorry about that. It's just that I've experienced a lot of folks take the worst examples (like Andrea Dworkin and the SCUM Manifesto) as the face of feminism while disregarding the others (such as Gloria Steinem and bell hooks). Which unfortunately does contribute to negative perception of feminism.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1.) I do not know much about the situation, but that is definitely a problem of why it's so hard to deal with. Intoxication is problematic because it impairs communication and makes it that much harder to reaffirm or withdraw consent.</p><p></p><p><strong>Edit</strong> In regards to misreading signals, well that can be closer to rape when the aggressor is not drunk. It's imperative to know that the person you're having sex with is giving enthusiastic consent.</p><p></p><p>But I do not entirely know of your situations and what happened in them, so I can't make a definite judgment. But there are many cases where clearly intoxicated women are unable to say no or fight back, and sexual predators take advantage of this.</p><p></p><p>2.) Agreed. Particularly with strangers, we do not know what they went through, so it's best to err on the side of caution.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The best one can do Internet-wise is the use of forum rules, IP bans of troublemakers, other users criticizing said content when it does arise, etc. Various message boards have ways of cutting down racist/sexist/homophobic/etc statements this way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The US point of view is that the government restricting speech otherwise will just cause things to go 'underground.' Which is true, in a way. Still, socially unacceptable viewpoints while legal are still pushed down because the believer doesn't want people to yell at them. Or, you get cases where they coat their problematic viewpoints in things which sound more worthy.</p><p></p><p>In regards to behavior/speech which can make women and minorities feel unwelcome, social disapproval and criticism are valid for this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1.) I never said that rape should be excluded from media, rather I object to poor handling of it.</p><p></p><p>2.) CthulhuTech handles sexual assault with little to none of the nuance and sensitivity. The authors usually frame it in the sense of fetish material or just for shock value, and this content only became more prominent as the line went on.</p><p></p><p>3.) There's nothing wrong with criticizing game designers for products they're selling. Lots of people bought CthulhuTech without knowing that things would get this way. And they have a right to voice their displeasure and tell other gamers what they don't like about the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Libertad, post: 6203260, member: 6750502"] Sorry about that. It's just that I've experienced a lot of folks take the worst examples (like Andrea Dworkin and the SCUM Manifesto) as the face of feminism while disregarding the others (such as Gloria Steinem and bell hooks). Which unfortunately does contribute to negative perception of feminism. 1.) I do not know much about the situation, but that is definitely a problem of why it's so hard to deal with. Intoxication is problematic because it impairs communication and makes it that much harder to reaffirm or withdraw consent. [B]Edit[/B] In regards to misreading signals, well that can be closer to rape when the aggressor is not drunk. It's imperative to know that the person you're having sex with is giving enthusiastic consent. But I do not entirely know of your situations and what happened in them, so I can't make a definite judgment. But there are many cases where clearly intoxicated women are unable to say no or fight back, and sexual predators take advantage of this. 2.) Agreed. Particularly with strangers, we do not know what they went through, so it's best to err on the side of caution. The best one can do Internet-wise is the use of forum rules, IP bans of troublemakers, other users criticizing said content when it does arise, etc. Various message boards have ways of cutting down racist/sexist/homophobic/etc statements this way. The US point of view is that the government restricting speech otherwise will just cause things to go 'underground.' Which is true, in a way. Still, socially unacceptable viewpoints while legal are still pushed down because the believer doesn't want people to yell at them. Or, you get cases where they coat their problematic viewpoints in things which sound more worthy. In regards to behavior/speech which can make women and minorities feel unwelcome, social disapproval and criticism are valid for this. 1.) I never said that rape should be excluded from media, rather I object to poor handling of it. 2.) CthulhuTech handles sexual assault with little to none of the nuance and sensitivity. The authors usually frame it in the sense of fetish material or just for shock value, and this content only became more prominent as the line went on. 3.) There's nothing wrong with criticizing game designers for products they're selling. Lots of people bought CthulhuTech without knowing that things would get this way. And they have a right to voice their displeasure and tell other gamers what they don't like about the game. [/QUOTE]
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