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<blockquote data-quote="Salamandyr" data-source="post: 6203749" data-attributes="member: 40233">That's a very unfair characterization of the argument.&nbsp; No one, not even the most ardent fan of strength limitations, is arguing against physically strong women.&nbsp; They argue, that physically strong women are not as strong as physically strong men, and the game should reflect that.&nbsp; I don't agree, but it's an arguable point.For instance, the world record for the deadlift by a woman, one Becca Swanson, is 683 lbs.&nbsp; That's in incredible amount!&nbsp; I could maybe lift half that, probably closer to a third.&nbsp; She is dramatically stronger than me.&nbsp; But the world record for a man?&nbsp; Depending on how you calculate it, around 1100 lbs!&nbsp; That's about one and a half as much!&nbsp; Other weightlifting numbers show a similar disparity.Again, I see no reason to impose every real world limit on fantasy characters.&nbsp; I prefer to abide by &quot;action movie&quot; realism.&nbsp; And it may be logically inconsistent for women being as strong as men&nbsp; to break a persons verisimilitude, when, say, a person being able to outthink a computer, or read people's minds doesn't.&nbsp; But it's not an inherent mark of sexism either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Salamandyr, post: 6203749, member: 40233"] That's a very unfair characterization of the argument. No one, not even the most ardent fan of strength limitations, is arguing against physically strong women. They argue, that physically strong women are not as strong as physically strong men, and the game should reflect that. I don't agree, but it's an arguable point. For instance, the world record for the deadlift by a woman, one Becca Swanson, is 683 lbs. That's in incredible amount! I could maybe lift half that, probably closer to a third. She is dramatically stronger than me. But the world record for a man? Depending on how you calculate it, around 1100 lbs! That's about one and a half as much! Other weightlifting numbers show a similar disparity. Again, I see no reason to impose every real world limit on fantasy characters. I prefer to abide by "action movie" realism. And it may be logically inconsistent for women being as strong as men to break a persons verisimilitude, when, say, a person being able to outthink a computer, or read people's minds doesn't. But it's not an inherent mark of sexism either. [/QUOTE]

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