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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 6203807" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Its an excellent point, but not all RPGs are <em><strong>F</strong></em>RPGs.</p><p></p><p>But in general, I agree: we're discussing games, sims. And as others have pointed out in other similar threads, in many cases, gender based stat mods are unfun.</p><p></p><p>Still, in most cases, the proposed stat limits don't actually prevent a PC from achieving the pinnacles of achievement in a given class- a 20Str isn't required to make 20th level in Fighter, after all.</p><p></p><p>And, in some cases, even in a fantasy setting, there may be a good reason for differences between the sexes to exist. In Ursula LeGuin's <em>Earthsea</em>, there is a difference between men's magic and women's magic...at least at first. The dichotomy, once implied to be inherent in the early stories, is, over time, revealed to be the result of chauvinism. But that doesn't change the fact that in that setting, there are simply no powerful female wizards because there is no way for them to learn the deeper mysteries.</p><p></p><p>Also, I have to ask: where would you stand on a PC race that displayed stronger sexual dimorphism than is typical than in humans? We see it in nature- for example, sometimes one gender (not necessarily the males) is not just bigger, but RADICALLY bigger, for instance...sometimes 5x, 10x or 100x larger. Similar behavioral differences exist in between genders in certain species, too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep. Since an RPG isn't a sim, there's no reason they have to model every bit of reality <em>just so.</em></p><p></p><p>While no RW woman may outlift someone like Mark Henry or out jump Mike Powell or even Peter O'Connor, there's no reason to assume that would be the case in a fictional world.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 6203807, member: 19675"] Its an excellent point, but not all RPGs are [I][B]F[/B][/I]RPGs. But in general, I agree: we're discussing games, sims. And as others have pointed out in other similar threads, in many cases, gender based stat mods are unfun. Still, in most cases, the proposed stat limits don't actually prevent a PC from achieving the pinnacles of achievement in a given class- a 20Str isn't required to make 20th level in Fighter, after all. And, in some cases, even in a fantasy setting, there may be a good reason for differences between the sexes to exist. In Ursula LeGuin's [I]Earthsea[/I], there is a difference between men's magic and women's magic...at least at first. The dichotomy, once implied to be inherent in the early stories, is, over time, revealed to be the result of chauvinism. But that doesn't change the fact that in that setting, there are simply no powerful female wizards because there is no way for them to learn the deeper mysteries. Also, I have to ask: where would you stand on a PC race that displayed stronger sexual dimorphism than is typical than in humans? We see it in nature- for example, sometimes one gender (not necessarily the males) is not just bigger, but RADICALLY bigger, for instance...sometimes 5x, 10x or 100x larger. Similar behavioral differences exist in between genders in certain species, too. Yep. Since an RPG isn't a sim, there's no reason they have to model every bit of reality [I]just so.[/I] While no RW woman may outlift someone like Mark Henry or out jump Mike Powell or even Peter O'Connor, there's no reason to assume that would be the case in a fictional world. [/QUOTE]
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