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<blockquote data-quote="mythago" data-source="post: 6204140" data-attributes="member: 3019"><p>Celebrim, for someone who doesn't think anyone should "speak for women", you yourself are doing a lot of speaking about how women gamers supposedly act and what they want and what their motivations are.</p><p></p><p>Do all female gamers want the exact same thing? Of course not, any more than all male gamers do. I'm not sure why that is supposed to block off a discussion about sexism in gaming generally, or to observe that, as a group, female gamers most likely do not want to be treated as exotic curiosities who are orthogonal to the 'real' gaming community. As Elf Witch says, things used to be much worse - I remember going to gaming cons and being treated like a talking zoo animal, frankly, which doesn't happen anymore - but we are not exactly at a point where, if my daughter came home from a gaming con annoyed that some guy challenged her geek cred, I would be utterly taken aback.</p><p></p><p>And it's frankly tiresome to see the same old non-arguments thrown up as chaff to distract from the meat of the discussion: if you don't like it don't hang with the jerks, women aren't fragile, free speech eleventy!!!!111, it's only a handful of people, let's not say bad things about the hobby. None of these things have to do with real issues about whether the gaming community has a problematic strain of sexism or whether we should discuss problems that <em>do</em> in fact exist, and trying to shut down that discussion is, well, trying to shut down discussion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mythago, post: 6204140, member: 3019"] Celebrim, for someone who doesn't think anyone should "speak for women", you yourself are doing a lot of speaking about how women gamers supposedly act and what they want and what their motivations are. Do all female gamers want the exact same thing? Of course not, any more than all male gamers do. I'm not sure why that is supposed to block off a discussion about sexism in gaming generally, or to observe that, as a group, female gamers most likely do not want to be treated as exotic curiosities who are orthogonal to the 'real' gaming community. As Elf Witch says, things used to be much worse - I remember going to gaming cons and being treated like a talking zoo animal, frankly, which doesn't happen anymore - but we are not exactly at a point where, if my daughter came home from a gaming con annoyed that some guy challenged her geek cred, I would be utterly taken aback. And it's frankly tiresome to see the same old non-arguments thrown up as chaff to distract from the meat of the discussion: if you don't like it don't hang with the jerks, women aren't fragile, free speech eleventy!!!!111, it's only a handful of people, let's not say bad things about the hobby. None of these things have to do with real issues about whether the gaming community has a problematic strain of sexism or whether we should discuss problems that [I]do[/I] in fact exist, and trying to shut down that discussion is, well, trying to shut down discussion. [/QUOTE]
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