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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Argyle King" data-source="post: 6204148" data-attributes="member: 58416">In general, I'm pro-luchadore.  On the topic of women in gaming...  I never know what to say.  Apparently, I live in some weird alternate dimension where the people I game with aren't d-bags as a general rule.  Perhaps things were different back in the day.  Perhaps things are different elsewhere.  All I can say is that I tend to treat women gamers as gamers, and the people I game with tend to do the same.  There aren't a lot of things which are off limits when it comes to my usual group.  There have been games in which some rather serious topics (such as rape) have come up during a game.  That in no way implies that I or anyone in my group condones the activity; neither does it imply it's something which runs rampant during our gaming.  The times when it did occur, it was handled in what I believe to be mature way.  It's also worth pointing out that it hasn't been something unique to female characters; I particularly remember a male wizard character suffering a shudder worthy fate at the hands of a despicable villain.  It's rare when it does happen in games I've been involved in, but, when it has happened, I feel it added to the scene or the story, and it wasn't something the group jokingly or casually tossed about.  That being said, I do recognize that different topics may hit closer to home for some gamers based on the demographics they come from.  With a female player, I might discuss OOG how they felt about certain things, but I'd also do that with the other members of my group.  A close friend of mine lost a child a few years back; as such, there were some aspects of the story I had written at the time which I changed out of regard for his feelings.  I take time to know the people I game with.  Just a few days ago, I made some new acquaintances simply by talking to someone else at the local game store.      I always find it odd that roleplaying games are social in nature, but there seems to be some strange aversion to being social among groups; between GM and player.  I've found that taking the time to talk to the people I game with solves a lot of problems.  Likewise, I've found that it's surprisingly easy to bring new players into the hobby simply by talking to people and doing so without being a jerk, bigot, or [some words I can't say on a public forum.]  I understand that not everyone has a great charisma score, but you'd be amazed at how many negative aspects of the tabletop hobby can be fixed by simply being social.  I really don't know what else to say.  I always have difficulty weighing in when it comes to a topic of this nature.  I have that difficulty because I can't relate to it.  I'm not denying that sexism happens.  I'm sure it does, and it doesn't entirely surprise me that some members of the tabletop community act different toward girls; I recognize that some heads turn when someone of the female gender walks into the local game store.  I myself will admit to enjoying eye candy when it's available.  However, overall, I just really don't understand the mentality behind some of the stories I read online or hear from elsewhere.  I always ask myself, "why would I still game with people who acted like that?"  The answer I often come to is that I wouldn't.  At a Con or something, I understand you cannot always choose who you play with.....nevermind.  I'm starting to ramble now, and I don't feel as though I'm adding anything.  So, in closing, I support luchadore gamers.</blockquote>

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