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<blockquote data-quote="mythago" data-source="post: 6204307" data-attributes="member: 3019"><p>Celebrim, you're ranting. Period. You're attacking things nobody has said, attributing things to other people's arguments ('women are delicate flowers', 'men are bestial') that they didn't actually say and then arguing as if they did (who, please, other than you, said anything about 'penance'?), falsely claiming that you are being shut down because you are a man, and arguing-while-saying-you're-not-arguing about ENworld's posting policies. You're correct that "red herring" is not the term for what you're doing, and I'm getting old so I don't remember the Latin names for the fallacies well anymore, but I think "strawmanning" is a pretty good fit. If you want to actually have an interactive, civil discussion, I'm all ears. If you just want to do the argument equivalent of looking for your glasses under the streetlight because the light is better there, well, you enjoy that.</p><p></p><p>Kursk, all the statistical methods in the world don't fix questionable data. "My own anecdotal experience" is informative; it's not scientific. Even assuming that you applied a proper statistical analysis and an accurate confidence interval, all you're saying is that you personally haven't encountered a thing. (Also, respectfully, your echoing Gygax's comment about lady gamers doesn't inspire me to perceive your observations as wholly unbiased.) If I were to count up the number of times that I'd been asked if I were the GM's girlfriend or told "the female GMs I've seen haven't been any good" and so on, and provided a "scientific" analysis showing this was a troublingly large number of incidents over time, I suspect you would not take that as objective proof that your own observations are not the full picture.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mythago, post: 6204307, member: 3019"] Celebrim, you're ranting. Period. You're attacking things nobody has said, attributing things to other people's arguments ('women are delicate flowers', 'men are bestial') that they didn't actually say and then arguing as if they did (who, please, other than you, said anything about 'penance'?), falsely claiming that you are being shut down because you are a man, and arguing-while-saying-you're-not-arguing about ENworld's posting policies. You're correct that "red herring" is not the term for what you're doing, and I'm getting old so I don't remember the Latin names for the fallacies well anymore, but I think "strawmanning" is a pretty good fit. If you want to actually have an interactive, civil discussion, I'm all ears. If you just want to do the argument equivalent of looking for your glasses under the streetlight because the light is better there, well, you enjoy that. Kursk, all the statistical methods in the world don't fix questionable data. "My own anecdotal experience" is informative; it's not scientific. Even assuming that you applied a proper statistical analysis and an accurate confidence interval, all you're saying is that you personally haven't encountered a thing. (Also, respectfully, your echoing Gygax's comment about lady gamers doesn't inspire me to perceive your observations as wholly unbiased.) If I were to count up the number of times that I'd been asked if I were the GM's girlfriend or told "the female GMs I've seen haven't been any good" and so on, and provided a "scientific" analysis showing this was a troublingly large number of incidents over time, I suspect you would not take that as objective proof that your own observations are not the full picture. [/QUOTE]
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