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Sexism in Table-Top Gaming: My Thoughts On It, and What We Can Do About It
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<blockquote data-quote="Libertad" data-source="post: 6204396" data-attributes="member: 6750502"><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">I didn't claim to speak for all women in my posts, but you're doing a lot of it by saying "they don't need your protection." My original post is an examination of a systemic issue which does negatively affect many gamers, and why they're negative. I'm not presenting my evidence as the end-all be-all, and you don't strengthen your argument by putting words in my mouth.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">No, it's not an issue at the individual level. Many rape victims suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder, and encountering rape scenes in fiction can trigger a flashback. This is the origin of the term "trigger warning," to help warn people suffering from PTSD from content which can harm them. Many depictions of rape in RPGs have no warning of the sort beyond the vague "Mature Audiences only." And given the huge amount of men and women who have been sexually assaulted and/or abused, it's not unreasonable for publishers, players, and DMs to take care when putting it into their games.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">The lines between sexual harassment and good-hearted flirtation is when the attention becomes unwanted and the aggressor pursues efforts despite complaints otherwise. When it's unwanted and unprovoked, and the harasser continues is when it becomes a problem. It is related to rape in that it's not consensual, and a lot of rapists start off with ignoring their victim's protests. Sexual harassment makes victims feel unsafe and attacked, worrying that the harasser isn't going to take "no" for an answer.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Once again you're putting words in my mouth. My main point is not that <em>"rape in fiction is bad, m'kay,"</em> rather that <em>"rape in fiction, when unexpected and poorly handled, often causes more problems than good"</em> and we should thus treat it with more care and sensitivity.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">A lot of historical evidence is present in writings and archeological data, as is the case of examination of most ancient civilizations.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">I re-looked at the Scythian link, and it mentions the Sauromatians having warrior women, not the Scythians. On that I was wrong. But there is evidence that Sauromatians contained women trained in battle among their number:</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">And the fact that the ancient world wasn't gender-egalitarian, or that the Sauromatians lost to a superior military force, or that there isn't concrete evidence that the women warriors fought down to the last woman, doesn't disprove the "woman have always fought" idea; it just means "women have always fought" throughout history, not "women have always fought and won," or "women have always fought down to the last of them."</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Libertad, post: 6204396, member: 6750502"] [COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] I didn't claim to speak for all women in my posts, but you're doing a lot of it by saying "they don't need your protection." My original post is an examination of a systemic issue which does negatively affect many gamers, and why they're negative. I'm not presenting my evidence as the end-all be-all, and you don't strengthen your argument by putting words in my mouth. [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] No, it's not an issue at the individual level. Many rape victims suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder, and encountering rape scenes in fiction can trigger a flashback. This is the origin of the term "trigger warning," to help warn people suffering from PTSD from content which can harm them. Many depictions of rape in RPGs have no warning of the sort beyond the vague "Mature Audiences only." And given the huge amount of men and women who have been sexually assaulted and/or abused, it's not unreasonable for publishers, players, and DMs to take care when putting it into their games. [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] The lines between sexual harassment and good-hearted flirtation is when the attention becomes unwanted and the aggressor pursues efforts despite complaints otherwise. When it's unwanted and unprovoked, and the harasser continues is when it becomes a problem. It is related to rape in that it's not consensual, and a lot of rapists start off with ignoring their victim's protests. Sexual harassment makes victims feel unsafe and attacked, worrying that the harasser isn't going to take "no" for an answer. [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] Once again you're putting words in my mouth. My main point is not that [I]"rape in fiction is bad, m'kay,"[/I] rather that [I]"rape in fiction, when unexpected and poorly handled, often causes more problems than good"[/I] and we should thus treat it with more care and sensitivity. [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] A lot of historical evidence is present in writings and archeological data, as is the case of examination of most ancient civilizations. I re-looked at the Scythian link, and it mentions the Sauromatians having warrior women, not the Scythians. On that I was wrong. But there is evidence that Sauromatians contained women trained in battle among their number: [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] And the fact that the ancient world wasn't gender-egalitarian, or that the Sauromatians lost to a superior military force, or that there isn't concrete evidence that the women warriors fought down to the last woman, doesn't disprove the "woman have always fought" idea; it just means "women have always fought" throughout history, not "women have always fought and won," or "women have always fought down to the last of them." [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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