Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6205688" data-attributes="member: 4937">I'm not excusing anything.&nbsp; If I was excusing Bob's behavior, I wouldn't be describing it as being a jerk.&nbsp; First, I'm not confronting 'Bob', because he isn't in this thread.&nbsp; 'Bob' already got sent from the room. The only things I can confront are the things that are actually in the thread.&nbsp;&nbsp; And I'm not confronting efforts to change things.&nbsp; The world is clearly broken and needs to change.&nbsp; I'm confronting the notion of how we change things.&nbsp; Just because I don't approve of the particulars of your plan, doesn't mean I disagree that things or broken or that I approve of the thing you are trying to confront.&nbsp; It is a rare person these days that actually knows the definition of just.&nbsp; It's actually refreshing.For the purpose of the original example, if I approach Bob and say, &quot;Dude, what was that?&nbsp; How about we not act like a jerk to the new player?&quot;, and Bob comes back with, &quot;How about we don't invite ***** to the gaming table?&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; Then, I'm like, &quot;Sorry Bob.&nbsp; I can't really work with that, until you can learn to behave and treat other people like people out the door you go.&quot;But not only do I insist that's still a tragedy and not a moral victory, I'd also insist in general that's probably the rare case where you can make a clean judgment of what the problem is and that there is no real way to solve it (or no better way to solve it).&nbsp; Or that Bob is so clearly in the wrong, and has so clearly placed himself in a neat little stereotype with neat little biases. But maybe most of all, there is no change here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6205688, member: 4937"] I'm not excusing anything. If I was excusing Bob's behavior, I wouldn't be describing it as being a jerk. First, I'm not confronting 'Bob', because he isn't in this thread. 'Bob' already got sent from the room. The only things I can confront are the things that are actually in the thread. And I'm not confronting efforts to change things. The world is clearly broken and needs to change. I'm confronting the notion of how we change things. Just because I don't approve of the particulars of your plan, doesn't mean I disagree that things or broken or that I approve of the thing you are trying to confront. It is a rare person these days that actually knows the definition of just. It's actually refreshing. For the purpose of the original example, if I approach Bob and say, "Dude, what was that? How about we not act like a jerk to the new player?", and Bob comes back with, "How about we don't invite ***** to the gaming table?" Then, I'm like, "Sorry Bob. I can't really work with that, until you can learn to behave and treat other people like people out the door you go." But not only do I insist that's still a tragedy and not a moral victory, I'd also insist in general that's probably the rare case where you can make a clean judgment of what the problem is and that there is no real way to solve it (or no better way to solve it). Or that Bob is so clearly in the wrong, and has so clearly placed himself in a neat little stereotype with neat little biases. But maybe most of all, there is no change here. [/QUOTE]

Verification