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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mythago" data-source="post: 6206438" data-attributes="member: 3019">Celebrim, if you genuinely believe this, you don't appear to think it's a model of behavior that is particularly useful to you. You admit you have strong feelings and express them, and think it's perfectly OK to do so without "an attitude of calm assurance" or with "asbestos underwear". Why do you advocate others behave in this way?While I truly believe you mean well, here you in fact do claim to know how it feels to be excluded or marginalized because of being female, because you can apply empathy and your own experience to think of how it would feel and how to react in that situation. Of course you can be empathetic, but you know what truly helps with empathy and understanding? Listening. Lecturing on 'what ought to work', ranting about seeing too much sexism and telling women exactly how much sexism should bother then - that's not empathy.</blockquote>