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<blockquote data-quote="mythago" data-source="post: 6206625" data-attributes="member: 3019"><p>I realize you'd <em>like</em> this to be my position, and that having failed to establish that it's my position, you're just going to decide it is anyway; announcing "You just hate the penis!" is doubtless easier than defending some of the extremely silly arguments you've put forth in this thread - which you've made it rather clear you're unwilling and unable to do. It's also easier, I'm sure, than admitting that you're the one who is entwining male sexuality and harm to women, in your insistence that criticism of sexism is attacking "virile" male behavior, and that discussion of people who act in a sexist manner must be talking about, and picking on, "normal" men. The claim that criticizing Fake Geek Girl nonsense is criticizing "normal male sexuality" says nothing good about your perception of "normal male sexuality". </p><p></p><p>(Irony alert: 'false consciousness' is a tenet of radical feminism. Congratulations, LNF, your Andrea Dworkin Secret Decoder Ring will arrive shortly via Amazon.)</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, no, you could write posts that aren't rants, that don't accuse others of dishonesty or stupidity because they disagree with you, and that don't engage in strawmanning and sarcastic exaggeration of the slightest disagreement. As I said before, Celebrim, I chose <em>not</em> to see you in "the worst light", that is, <em>not</em> to believe that when you were strawmanning others' arguments, making over-the-top interpretations of what they were saying, and repeatedly accusing them of bad faith, you were doing so out of malice and an attempt to win an Internet argument at any costs. I instead chose to conclude that you were arguing badly out of a surfeit of passion, rather than as an intentional technique. As you recall, I in fact told you this; you agreed that you had 'strong feelings' on the subject, and you also, somewhat to my surprise, said that if someone else were angrily dumping the full truckload of logical fallacies and accusations on you, that you would nonetheless try to give consideration to their arguments. </p><p></p><p>Now, can we take it as a given that nobody is trying to brainwash your daughters, that all of us (well, almost all of us) really would like a gaming community where women's role is neither suspect nor ornamental, and get on with discussing the problem and possible solutions?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mythago, post: 6206625, member: 3019"] I realize you'd [I]like[/I] this to be my position, and that having failed to establish that it's my position, you're just going to decide it is anyway; announcing "You just hate the penis!" is doubtless easier than defending some of the extremely silly arguments you've put forth in this thread - which you've made it rather clear you're unwilling and unable to do. It's also easier, I'm sure, than admitting that you're the one who is entwining male sexuality and harm to women, in your insistence that criticism of sexism is attacking "virile" male behavior, and that discussion of people who act in a sexist manner must be talking about, and picking on, "normal" men. The claim that criticizing Fake Geek Girl nonsense is criticizing "normal male sexuality" says nothing good about your perception of "normal male sexuality". (Irony alert: 'false consciousness' is a tenet of radical feminism. Congratulations, LNF, your Andrea Dworkin Secret Decoder Ring will arrive shortly via Amazon.) Well, no, you could write posts that aren't rants, that don't accuse others of dishonesty or stupidity because they disagree with you, and that don't engage in strawmanning and sarcastic exaggeration of the slightest disagreement. As I said before, Celebrim, I chose [I]not[/I] to see you in "the worst light", that is, [I]not[/I] to believe that when you were strawmanning others' arguments, making over-the-top interpretations of what they were saying, and repeatedly accusing them of bad faith, you were doing so out of malice and an attempt to win an Internet argument at any costs. I instead chose to conclude that you were arguing badly out of a surfeit of passion, rather than as an intentional technique. As you recall, I in fact told you this; you agreed that you had 'strong feelings' on the subject, and you also, somewhat to my surprise, said that if someone else were angrily dumping the full truckload of logical fallacies and accusations on you, that you would nonetheless try to give consideration to their arguments. Now, can we take it as a given that nobody is trying to brainwash your daughters, that all of us (well, almost all of us) really would like a gaming community where women's role is neither suspect nor ornamental, and get on with discussing the problem and possible solutions? [/QUOTE]
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