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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1670680" data-attributes="member: 3146">Closer to gender equality doesn't necessarily mean much. The question is what their practices were and how they influenced Mycenian society. That the Minoans may have exported Poseidon and Bacchus to Greece doesn't immediately indicate that the Mycenians had a greater level of gender equality than the later Greeks. (And, if it did, it would run directly counter to the thesis that godess worship leads to more gender equality than the worship of gods since both Poseidon and Bacchus are male).OK, it may have been a difficult decision and the Greeks may have needed a lot of prodding and diplomacy to get them to come together. However, I doubt that Herodotus tells us that it was all the work of the Oracle and her spies. I imagine King Leonidas and the other Spartan king as well as the leaders of Athens (Pericles would be one of the contemporary influences) had something to do with the decision as well and did so for reasons in addition to "the oracle at Delphi wants us to."If the oracle at Delphi's influence was necessary in order for the Greeks to fight at Thermopylae and Marathon and Salamis, that doesn't mean that the influence was sufficient. For another example, America's contribution in World War II was probably necessary in order to defeat the axis powers. That doesn't mean that America's contribution was sufficient to do so. Without the contributions of the soviets and the British empire, the axis powers might well have prevailed. My point is that your retelling of the story--the oracle pushed Athens and Sparta into fighting the war--makes it seems like the oracle forced or manipulated them to do something against their will.Uh huh. If you had any idea who you're discussing this with... oh well, forget it. This is an online forum and neither of us know the other from Adam. (For all I know, Drifter Bob is just a screen name and you're an Indian actress posting on from her Bollywood dressing room). So, it's nice that you hate bogus historical revisionism, but saying so doesn't make your perspective any more credible than your elucidations of that perspective make it. And it's my experience that the people who shout the loudest about how unbiased they are are generally the most blind to their own prejudices. Cf. Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather, and Bill O'Reilly, all of whom insist that they're utterly unbiased. Consequently, hyperventilating about your unbiasedness is only going to make me more suspicious of bias rather than less.And I can remember one where they rape a female "ghoul." (Really a human with transparent skin). I'm sure most people will understand that the latter makes more of an impression than the former.</blockquote>

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