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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nisarg" data-source="post: 1672790" data-attributes="member: 19893">No, especially to the first one. As I already said before, there is NO excuse for the actual PLAYERS and the actual DM to behave in a sexist way (or racist way, or what have you) to another actual PLAYER.Likewise, where did I ever say anything about "stereotypes"?  It seems to me that its actually you guys who are talking about female "stereotypes"; you would have us all play in a PC-world where ALL women were just as tough and as good as men at everything, while still retaining some kind of "femeninity" vaguely defined as being able to talk about feelings and being in favour of big interventionist government.That's the steotype.I'm talking about accurate simulationism.  That if you are living in a feudal world that is meant to be in any way like our own medieval era, women were treated differently, and could not follow all the same roles in all the same ways as men.  And likewise, the simple REALISM that there is no one single way that women "are like", there are as many different kinds of women as there are women, and there's no need to put the feminist-stamp-of-approval on your historical game.Likewise, if I had a black player (or asian, etc etc.), and was playing an historical campaign; say for example my version of Deadlands where I DON'T whitewash history the way they do and you would seem to want to, I would take the player aside and tell him "look, in some campaigns you might play in a fantasy made-up world where its the 19th century in america and yet a black character is going to be treated just the same as a white guy, and women the same as men, and no one hates the chinese, and indians are respected, etc. etc. But to me that's a whitewash to history and an INSULT to the reality of what these groups went through.  The reality was that 19th century america was a horribly racist and sexist place, and part of this game is going to accurately address some of the real issues of what people of colour and women had to go through in that kind of world. If you don't think you could enjoy the seriousness of that kind of game, please let me know, but know that if you are willing to play and want to play a black character I'd work with you to make the racism he'd be confronted with an important character-building issue for him".So you, apparently, feel this is somehow racist?  Its not MORE racist to say "lets just pretend all that bad stuff my ancestors did to your ancestors never happened, and instead imagine a happy fun world where we were always equal"?  That's the middle class white american state of denial in action! The "lets just try to pretend it wasn't that way" school of race relations.  (which is second in repugnant idiocy only to the much much worse middle class PC-guilt school of race relations where EVERYTHING is racist, and in all of history white men were ALL complete evil bastards who oppressed everything that moves, but everyone else was always good and noble and could never be bad).Likewise, to me it is MORE sexist to run a historically-simulationist game (and again, you can run a funny or light-hearted game that isn't meant to be a deep social construct and then none of this applies, I'm not saying that ALL games must be the way I'm saying), where women and men get along perfectly and even though its a medieval feudal world with all that this implies regarding cultural conceptions somehow women can be treated no differently than men ever at all. Nisarg</blockquote>

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