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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lazybones" data-source="post: 1413125" data-attributes="member: 143">True, at first glance it looks like she's hit with a double penalty.  If you look at her initial stats, however (with 17 Int), and add up her stat totals, you see that she ends up with a 29 point build, certainly very respectable compared to the other members of the party.  This is because tieflings get TWO +2 stats (both in very valuable stats, int and dex) and one -2 (in CHA, IMO the weakest stat unless you are a class that relies on that stat).  Thus, even with a lower base build, Zenna was the only character to start with a 17 stat.  And they get very useful benefits in terms of DR5/cold, electricity, fire; darkness 1/day, and outsider status (immunity to various "person" spells). As for keeping Zenna lower after her initial build, I only implemented the experience rules for ECL characters in the FRCS book.  If I had it to do over again, though, I would probably have given her the same point build as the others, however. Zenna is in many ways a weak character, but that's due more to my deliberate decision to have her multiclass in two caster classes.  It will be interesting to see how she develops once she attains the prestige class she's working toward.</blockquote>