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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 1675544" data-attributes="member: 5122">Well, okay, but I'd argue strongly that dragons are under-CRed by at least 1, and probably 2.  You simply cannot convince me that the fiendish umber hulk we faced (and beat fairly easily) is anything near as tough as that dragon.One question about that encounter ... how does a dragon with a 40-foot cone breath weapon affect an area with a 50-foot radius?  I get the whole "flying up and breathing straight down" thing, but since cones are equilateral, shouldn't the effect be a 40-foot radius?I get that, but "rest and recuperation" isn't much help if the encounter is capable of killing you when you're fully rested, as, IMO, the dragon, the cryo-hydra, and the erinyes all are.Remember, there was absolutely no warning before the dragon attacked, and the PCs are caught out in the open.  (This is as far as I know.  It certainly was true for us.)  In fact, I was so shocked, as both player and character, that I assumed the dragon was an illusion and lost my first round of action.The cryo-hydra, I suppose, could be prepared for, given enough stealth and preparation of resist cold spells.  I'll concede we dropped the ball on that one, so it ended up much more dangerous than it could have been.How does a normal 6th-level party deal with her greater teleport?  Her SR?  (A 6th-level caster needs, what, a 14 on d20 to affect her at all, aside from her undoubtedly very good saves?)  I'm extremely skeptical that 4 normal 6th-level characters can handle an erinyes ... especially on the immediate heels of another tough fight.Actually, once my theurge hit 8th level (3rd-level spells in both), I figured the worst was over.  If these are the worst levels, when does it get better?  When do I get to be the uber-broken munchkin prestige class everybody keeps going on about? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />  'Cause I gotta tell you, I'm not seeing it.But yes, that is part of the problem ... we're definitely sub-optimal.  On the other hand, we're also 8th level, rather than 6th.Oh?  Are there clues to her coming that we missed?  Some way to stop it?  If so, and they're genuinely available to a reasonably intelligent group (which we are), that would go a long way toward explaining the encounter.</blockquote>

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