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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 854090" data-attributes="member: 2829">The ability score increases you get from character level are factored into each and every level of each and every class. It represents a small portion of every single class level. In other words, having access to those increases actually reduces the amount of power you can get from class features at a given level, because some of that level's power has already been allocated to ability score increases from character level. Those ability score increases already have an ECL value assigned to them. It just so happens that that value, when added to the rest of the features of a class level, bring that particular class level to an ECL of 1. In the end, this means that when you gain your next level, your ECL goes up by 1, with your ECL being equal to your CL.Precisely because not all classes and races receive this extra ability bonus is why it effects ECL, which is why it has a modifier. The question here is what the modifier should be. I just don't think +2 to an ability score is worth an entire level, no matter what class you're talking about.</blockquote>