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<blockquote data-quote="Therise" data-source="post: 5735352" data-attributes="member: 6683949">Er... before this goes down a path of assumptions that aren't what I'd intended to imply (if I did), let me mention again that I'm not going to be limiting any mechanics of shadow-oriented spells or abilities in my game.&nbsp; I'm just going to be using a very, very different fluff explanation as to how they work, and a different cosmology that doesn't include the shadowfell or feywild as written in 4E core.&nbsp; Also, I have read all of the replies to my OP, and I am grateful for all of them.&nbsp; They've been particularly helpful in my gaining a better understanding of 4E cosmology as written, and in turn they've very definitely helped me to decide what elements I want to use in the further development of my part-homebrew and part-Forgotten Realms game for the group I'm with.&nbsp; I feel like I have a much better idea of the deeper implications of 4E core cosmology, because of everyone here who took the time to reply.&nbsp; And I don't think I've really disagreed with anyone, I just mentioned how I didn't really much like the implications.Now, while I won't be using the shadowfell or feywild from 4E in my setting, it's likely that I will play in at least one person's game who is using a mostly unaltered 4E cosmology for their game.&nbsp; So in many ways, this exploration and discussion of shadow as a power source has been helpful in that way also.&nbsp; I'll better understand his game, and at the same time have my own &quot;take&quot; for my world too.&nbsp; Bear in mind, it's been ages and ages since I've played in any setting other than a (mostly 1E-derived, with bits of 2E and 3E) Forgotten Realms.&nbsp; My prior experience was 1E Greyhawk (pre-Wars).&nbsp; This new 4E cosmology is quite different, and much much darker than what I've been used to playing over these past 20-some years.So if anyone thinks I'm being intentionally... uhm... resistant or stubborn or something along those lines, or of anyone thinks I'm just shooting people down after you've all given some excellent points for me to ponder... well, that's definitely not the case.&nbsp; I'm making a choice not to go with two big, huge, world-defining elements in the game I run.&nbsp; That's just a choice for flavor and &quot;fluff&quot; as it were, and there's no intent to limit any options on shadowy-flavored character crunch goodness for my players.&nbsp; But I will be going with a different cosmology to &quot;shake things up&quot; by going more old school on the fluff.&nbsp; Just a DMing choice, really.... at least that's my perspective.&nbsp; *shrug*</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Therise, post: 5735352, member: 6683949"] Er... before this goes down a path of assumptions that aren't what I'd intended to imply (if I did), let me mention again that I'm not going to be limiting any mechanics of shadow-oriented spells or abilities in my game. I'm just going to be using a very, very different fluff explanation as to how they work, and a different cosmology that doesn't include the shadowfell or feywild as written in 4E core. Also, I have read all of the replies to my OP, and I am grateful for all of them. They've been particularly helpful in my gaining a better understanding of 4E cosmology as written, and in turn they've very definitely helped me to decide what elements I want to use in the further development of my part-homebrew and part-Forgotten Realms game for the group I'm with. I feel like I have a much better idea of the deeper implications of 4E core cosmology, because of everyone here who took the time to reply. And I don't think I've really disagreed with anyone, I just mentioned how I didn't really much like the implications. Now, while I won't be using the shadowfell or feywild from 4E in my setting, it's likely that I will play in at least one person's game who is using a mostly unaltered 4E cosmology for their game. So in many ways, this exploration and discussion of shadow as a power source has been helpful in that way also. I'll better understand his game, and at the same time have my own "take" for my world too. Bear in mind, it's been ages and ages since I've played in any setting other than a (mostly 1E-derived, with bits of 2E and 3E) Forgotten Realms. My prior experience was 1E Greyhawk (pre-Wars). This new 4E cosmology is quite different, and much much darker than what I've been used to playing over these past 20-some years. So if anyone thinks I'm being intentionally... uhm... resistant or stubborn or something along those lines, or of anyone thinks I'm just shooting people down after you've all given some excellent points for me to ponder... well, that's definitely not the case. I'm making a choice not to go with two big, huge, world-defining elements in the game I run. That's just a choice for flavor and "fluff" as it were, and there's no intent to limit any options on shadowy-flavored character crunch goodness for my players. But I will be going with a different cosmology to "shake things up" by going more old school on the fluff. Just a DMing choice, really.... at least that's my perspective. *shrug* [/QUOTE]

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