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<blockquote data-quote="Beholder Bob" data-source="post: 1522361" data-attributes="member: 12866">&quot;You create the effect and you know it's an illusion. I think that's enough to say, that you have proof that it isn't real.&quot;This is an assumption, not something from the rules.&nbsp; One could just as easily assume that one can choose to believe and interact with it as real.&nbsp; That since the caster is creating it in his mind he is wholly immersed in it as its creator and can treat it as real.&nbsp; This view is also not stated in the book, though the text of 2 illusion spells support this view:1) the phantasmal killer is a direct example of the caster of an illusion being effected by that illusion - so although he casts it, he does not automatically ignore/disbelieve.2) &quot;Any creature that interacts with the conjured object, force, or creature can make a Will save to recognize its true nature.&quot;&nbsp; This is an excerpt from shadow conjuration - the 2nd paragraph, though I added the underline.&nbsp; This implies that any creature that interacts with the shadow conjure item/effect can choose to accept/interact with it as a real item.&nbsp; I could create a bridge (with minor creation) over a pit and walk across it, rather then a % chance to avoiding falling into that pit.&nbsp; I choose to accept the reality of the bridge.B<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious&nbsp; &nbsp; :]" data-shortname=":]" />B</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Beholder Bob, post: 1522361, member: 12866"] "You create the effect and you know it's an illusion. I think that's enough to say, that you have proof that it isn't real." This is an assumption, not something from the rules. One could just as easily assume that one can choose to believe and interact with it as real. That since the caster is creating it in his mind he is wholly immersed in it as its creator and can treat it as real. This view is also not stated in the book, though the text of 2 illusion spells support this view: 1) the phantasmal killer is a direct example of the caster of an illusion being effected by that illusion - so although he casts it, he does not automatically ignore/disbelieve. 2) "Any creature that interacts with the conjured object, force, or creature [U]can[/U] make a Will save to recognize its true nature." This is an excerpt from shadow conjuration - the 2nd paragraph, though I added the underline. This implies that any creature that interacts with the shadow conjure item/effect can choose to accept/interact with it as a real item. I could create a bridge (with minor creation) over a pit and walk across it, rather then a % chance to avoiding falling into that pit. I choose to accept the reality of the bridge. [COLOR=Red]B:]B[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

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