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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 2747408" data-attributes="member: 29252">Well, there's sillyness involved at times - the caster knows EXACTLY what it is (well, not necessarily a Sorceror.... there's no real need for a sorceror to take lots of spellcraft, unless the Sorceror is the only Arcane Caster in the party....) - but at other times, it's not so silly - that Fighter doesn't know what a &quot;real&quot; Phantom Steed is supposed to look like (no Spellcraft) so how the heck is he supposed to know that the discrepancies involved aren't just the results of a different caster, and simply not think about them?And also, it's not always so silly, even when the caster is making a Steed for himself - a caster with full knoweledge of the spell used knows: 1) That those who trust in it are always fully supported; 2) that it is real, at least partially; 3) that the chosen form of the shadow isn't going to hurt either way, so might as well relex and not think about it too much.Edit: Besides - is it really that much sillier than letting the Rogue voluntarily fail his reflex save for Greasing his armor?&nbsp; Or the Wizard voluntarily fail his Fort save vs. Reduce Person?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 2747408, member: 29252"] Well, there's sillyness involved at times - the caster knows EXACTLY what it is (well, not necessarily a Sorceror.... there's no real need for a sorceror to take lots of spellcraft, unless the Sorceror is the only Arcane Caster in the party....) - but at other times, it's not so silly - that Fighter doesn't know what a "real" Phantom Steed is supposed to look like (no Spellcraft) so how the heck is he supposed to know that the discrepancies involved aren't just the results of a different caster, and simply not think about them? And also, it's not always so silly, even when the caster is making a Steed for himself - a caster with full knoweledge of the spell used knows: 1) That those who trust in it are always fully supported; 2) that it is real, at least partially; 3) that the chosen form of the shadow isn't going to hurt either way, so might as well relex and not think about it too much. Edit: Besides - is it really that much sillier than letting the Rogue voluntarily fail his reflex save for Greasing his armor? Or the Wizard voluntarily fail his Fort save vs. Reduce Person? [/QUOTE]

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