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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nareau" data-source="post: 924057" data-attributes="member: 969">Gizem is an 11th level sorceress with a Cha of 14.  She has Spell Focus: Illusion, and Spell Thematics.  She selected Shadow Conjuration as her ST spell for 4th level.One day, she casts Shadow Conjuration to mimic a Sleet Storm spell.  She catches a group of enemies with it:  A Gnomish fighter, an elven wizard, and a human cleric (who's under the effects of a True Seeing spell).The save DC to recognize it as an illusion is 10 + 2 (Int) + 4 (Spell Level) + 2 (Spell Focus: Illusion)= 18.  This is a Will save.  Obviously, the Gnome gets his +2 to save vs. Illusions.Q1:  If the wizard rolls really well on a Spellcraft check, and is able to recognize that it's a Shadow Conjuration spell being cast, does he still need to make a Will save to disbelieve it?  Or does this fall under the "incontrovertible proof" clause?Q2:  Does the cleric automatically recognize that it's an illusion, thanks to his True Seeing?  The description says that it allows him to "see through illusions."  Does that mean that he automatically disbelieves any illusion spell?Okay, so let's say that the Gnome fails his saving throw.  He can't see through the driving sleet, and he now must make a Reflex save to avoid falling down.Q3:  What spell is he trying to save against now?  Shadow Conjuration with a DC of 18 again?  Or Sleet Storm with a reduced DC, since it's a lower level spell, and questionably an illusion?  Specifically, does the Spell Focus: Illusion apply here?  Does he get a +2 to this save, since it's still against an illusion?  Is he saving against a 3rd level spell, or a 4th level spell?Q4:  Does the shadowy sleet put out torches?Q5:  Does the Sleet Storm effect last for 11 or 12 rounds?  That is to say, does it benefit from the "+1 caster level" provided to Shadow Conjuration from Spell Thematics?Here are the three spells from the SRD.Thanks,Spider</blockquote>

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