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<blockquote data-quote="AuraSeer" data-source="post: 924156" data-attributes="member: 1331"><p>The latter. By succeeding on a Spellcraft check, the victim has explicitly figured out that the spell is an illusion, so he automatically disbelieves without having to roll.</p><p></p><p>If you want to fool spellcasters with illusions, use Silent Spell and/or Still Spell. They can't use Spellcraft unless they see or hear your components.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep. <em>True seeing</em> beats any illusion automatically.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, the save is as for the illusion spell. This is stated in the description of <em>shadow evocation</em>.</p><p></p><p>I believe Spell Focus: Illusion does apply. This is in fact an illusion spell, even if it imitates a conjuration.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There are two possible interpretations. IMO, the <em>sleet storm</em> counts as an "attack spell", and putting out fires would count as a "special effect other than damage." Each round, it would have a 20% chance of extinguishing each torch or fire in the area.</p><p></p><p>The other interpretation would say that the sleet is a shadow "substance", which "has normal effects except against those who disbelieve [it]." That would let it put out fires just as well as the normal spell. This way doesn't feel right to me, though.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It does benefit from that feat. Again, even though it's mimicking some other effect, it's really a <em>shadow conjuration</em>. It gets benefits and penalties (from feats or whatever) according to the actual spell, not the simulated one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AuraSeer, post: 924156, member: 1331"] The latter. By succeeding on a Spellcraft check, the victim has explicitly figured out that the spell is an illusion, so he automatically disbelieves without having to roll. If you want to fool spellcasters with illusions, use Silent Spell and/or Still Spell. They can't use Spellcraft unless they see or hear your components. Yep. [i]True seeing[/i] beats any illusion automatically. Yes, the save is as for the illusion spell. This is stated in the description of [i]shadow evocation[/i]. I believe Spell Focus: Illusion does apply. This is in fact an illusion spell, even if it imitates a conjuration. There are two possible interpretations. IMO, the [i]sleet storm[/i] counts as an "attack spell", and putting out fires would count as a "special effect other than damage." Each round, it would have a 20% chance of extinguishing each torch or fire in the area. The other interpretation would say that the sleet is a shadow "substance", which "has normal effects except against those who disbelieve [it]." That would let it put out fires just as well as the normal spell. This way doesn't feel right to me, though. It does benefit from that feat. Again, even though it's mimicking some other effect, it's really a [i]shadow conjuration[/i]. It gets benefits and penalties (from feats or whatever) according to the actual spell, not the simulated one. [/QUOTE]
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