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<blockquote data-quote="allenw" data-source="post: 1174376" data-attributes="member: 12992"><p>My Halfling Sorcerer will be getting his second 5th-level spell soon, and I'm considering Shadow Evocation, mainly for the extreme versatility (useful for a Sorcerer). However, I've got some questions about the spell (and it's a multi-DM game in which I'm DM about half the time, so "ask the DM" isn't as useful an answer as it might otherwise be):</p><p></p><p> Does the caster automatically make his save versus his own Illusion (Shadow) spells? Can he choose to fail the save?</p><p></p><p> What happens if my character creates a Shadow Resilient Sphere around himself, and makes the Will save (automatically or otherwise)? Can he freely cast spells out of the Sphere, and be nigh-immune to spells, effects, and natural weapons from opponents who fail their Will saves? Objects automatically succeed on their Will saves vs. Shadow Evocation, and "Nondamaging effects have normal effects except against those who disbelieve them. Against disbelievers, they have no effect," so I assume missile weapons and long melee weapons would automatically penetrate the Sphere in both directions.</p><p></p><p> If I also got Shadow Conjuration and summoned up a Shadow Phantom Steed, could I ride it even if I made the save? Would its special abilities (air walk, etc.) still work?</p><p></p><p> If I later got Greater Shadow Conjuration and created a Shadow Wall of Stone, how long would it last (the base spell is "instantaneous," so a normal Wall of Stone would last forever until broken or eroded away)? If someone failed their save but tried to break through it using weapons or tools, would the weapons/tools (being objects) automatically make their save and thus only be able to hit the Wall 60% of the time? And what happens when someone casts Rock to Mud on it? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="allenw, post: 1174376, member: 12992"] My Halfling Sorcerer will be getting his second 5th-level spell soon, and I'm considering Shadow Evocation, mainly for the extreme versatility (useful for a Sorcerer). However, I've got some questions about the spell (and it's a multi-DM game in which I'm DM about half the time, so "ask the DM" isn't as useful an answer as it might otherwise be): Does the caster automatically make his save versus his own Illusion (Shadow) spells? Can he choose to fail the save? What happens if my character creates a Shadow Resilient Sphere around himself, and makes the Will save (automatically or otherwise)? Can he freely cast spells out of the Sphere, and be nigh-immune to spells, effects, and natural weapons from opponents who fail their Will saves? Objects automatically succeed on their Will saves vs. Shadow Evocation, and "Nondamaging effects have normal effects except against those who disbelieve them. Against disbelievers, they have no effect," so I assume missile weapons and long melee weapons would automatically penetrate the Sphere in both directions. If I also got Shadow Conjuration and summoned up a Shadow Phantom Steed, could I ride it even if I made the save? Would its special abilities (air walk, etc.) still work? If I later got Greater Shadow Conjuration and created a Shadow Wall of Stone, how long would it last (the base spell is "instantaneous," so a normal Wall of Stone would last forever until broken or eroded away)? If someone failed their save but tried to break through it using weapons or tools, would the weapons/tools (being objects) automatically make their save and thus only be able to hit the Wall 60% of the time? And what happens when someone casts Rock to Mud on it? :) [/QUOTE]
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