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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5495273" data-attributes="member: 78116">The comparison to Dragonborn is apt actually.Vryloka get +2 Charisma, Strength or DexDragonborn get +2 Charisma, Constitution or StrengthVryloka get speed 7 - always very niceDragonborn are normal speed.Vryloka get low-light vision - I regard this as kind of useful actually (others regard it as useless flavor though, due to how common sunrods are. But then again a sunrod to me is "Fresh meat here, COME AND EAT").Dragonborn have no special visionVryloka get two good skill bonuses - definitely an advantage here!Dragonborn get two okayish skill bonuses (depending on your DM)Then we get into racial features.Vryloka get a ridiculously dumb -2 penalty to surge value. This pretty much undoes most of their advantages in itself.Dragonborn get a ridiculously awesome +con bonus to surge value. All the time. Vryloka get a flavor bonus to bluff checks to pretend to be humanDragonborn don't really need or get an equivalentVryloka gain necrotic resistance - always neatDragonborn gain a flat +1 bonus to attack rolls while bloodied (excellent).Vryloka do gain a benefit to be considered living or undead, but this is a very niche thing and won't be of benefit very often (if at all). They can also power swap utility powers, but they aren't gaining a benefit as they still have to pay the same slot for those utility powers.The Vryloka has a good racial power and so does the Dragonborn (even when you consider the Vryloka has to bloody an enemy to get use out of it).But overall what features above are giving the Vryloka something that warrants the -2 penalty? I cannot see a single feature there that isn't matched (or is just pure flavor/fluff with little mechanical benefit really) or bettered by something the Dragonborn gets? They share similar stats, particularly notable in being the only two strength/charisma races (IIRC). Now if the Vryloka had the situational +2 bonus to surges when non-bloodied, that would be an interesting advantage and they still wouldn't look anywhere more powerful than the Dragonborn above.</blockquote>

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