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Shadow Stride vs. Fleeting Ghost vs. Secret Stride
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<blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 4700720" data-attributes="member: 834"><p>Shadow Stride</p><p>You silently step from shadow to shadow, slipping past your foes unseen and unheard.</p><p>At-Will Martial</p><p>Move Action Personal </p><p>Prerequisite: You must be trained in Stealth.</p><p>Effect: <u>You must be hidden to use this power.</u> You can move your speed and must end your movement in a space where you can remain hidden. <u>Then make a Stealth check with no penalty for moving</u>. If the check succeeds, you remain hidden during the movement, even if you have no cover or concealment during it.</p><p></p><p>You are wrong, shadow stride specifically remove the penalty for moving.</p><p></p><p>In answer to the OP : Shadow Stride only works if you are already hidden, as you pointed out yourself in the Opening post. That's why fleeting ghost is still very useful. Eliminating the -5 penalty is not a slight edge if it applies. There isn't always a Superior cover available within 2 squares. In fact, more often than not there isn't. If you feel it isn't worthwhile, you are free to select something else but I wouldn't recommand it. For the sniper rogue, there is nothing more frustrating than losing a full round of going ninja because you were unable to become hidden. </p><p></p><p>Beside, in my exprience, rogues are more likely to simply rush to cover, make their stealth and then pop back with Deft strike for an immediate sneak attack in the same round. Starting to run around the battlefield cover to cover isn't that common since it's likely to leave you isolated. In practice it is therefore that initial dash to cover that is the most important, making fleeting ghost more useful than shadow stride, IMO. Becoming hidden in the first place is the necessity. Once you are hidden, having the option of running from cover to cover is a luxury. A cool luxury, indubitably, but still a luxury. For a ninja type rogue I would almost certainly take shadow stride but I would never retrain fleeting ghost, it's the basics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mal Malenkirk, post: 4700720, member: 834"] Shadow Stride You silently step from shadow to shadow, slipping past your foes unseen and unheard. At-Will Martial Move Action Personal Prerequisite: You must be trained in Stealth. Effect: [U]You must be hidden to use this power.[/U] You can move your speed and must end your movement in a space where you can remain hidden. [U]Then make a Stealth check with no penalty for moving[/U]. If the check succeeds, you remain hidden during the movement, even if you have no cover or concealment during it. You are wrong, shadow stride specifically remove the penalty for moving. In answer to the OP : Shadow Stride only works if you are already hidden, as you pointed out yourself in the Opening post. That's why fleeting ghost is still very useful. Eliminating the -5 penalty is not a slight edge if it applies. There isn't always a Superior cover available within 2 squares. In fact, more often than not there isn't. If you feel it isn't worthwhile, you are free to select something else but I wouldn't recommand it. For the sniper rogue, there is nothing more frustrating than losing a full round of going ninja because you were unable to become hidden. Beside, in my exprience, rogues are more likely to simply rush to cover, make their stealth and then pop back with Deft strike for an immediate sneak attack in the same round. Starting to run around the battlefield cover to cover isn't that common since it's likely to leave you isolated. In practice it is therefore that initial dash to cover that is the most important, making fleeting ghost more useful than shadow stride, IMO. Becoming hidden in the first place is the necessity. Once you are hidden, having the option of running from cover to cover is a luxury. A cool luxury, indubitably, but still a luxury. For a ninja type rogue I would almost certainly take shadow stride but I would never retrain fleeting ghost, it's the basics. [/QUOTE]
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