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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Smeelbo" data-source="post: 4701517" data-attributes="member: 81898">Becoming Hidden, Remaining Hidden, Not Remaining HiddenThat is very unlikely. If Fleeting Ghost were an exception to Not Remaining Hidden, it would read "You must be hidden to use this power," as Shadow Stride does. Shadow Stride is written to be an exception to Remaining Hidden. I don't recall any power that is an exception to Not Remaining Hidden, but if it were, it would require that you be hidden to use it.On the contrary, the Stealth check granted is the point: it's what Fleeting Ghost does.A successful Stealth check does one of two things, the character either becomes or remains hidden. Thus you contradict yourself when you say "it doesn't give you any power to stay/become hidden in a situation where you couldn't do so before, but it does grant you a roll in a case where you wouldn't normally get one." You even contradict your own hypothesis, since "grant[ing] you a roll in a case where you wouldn't normally get one," e.g., making a Stealth check during the same action that makes you not hidden, is exactly "becoming hidden in a situation where you couldn't do so before." If that were the case, Fleeting Ghost would include "You must be hidden to use this power," just as Shadow Stride does.That is indeed what Shadow Stride does.For your interpretation to be correct, Fleeting Ghost has to be an exception to both Becoming Hidden and Not Remaining Hidden, a stronger claim than MyISPHatesENWorld. In any case, Fleeting Ghost as written cannot simply be an exception to Opposed Check, otherwise it would be written to modify the check, as Dangerous Theft does. If you can use Fleeting Ghost regardless of whether you are hidden or not, which is what the current wording suggests, then it could be an exception to both Becoming Hidden and Remaining Hidden. If it were an exception to Not Remaining Hidden, which it what AbdulAlhazred claims, I would expect language closer to Chameleon, translated to a standard move action. My concern is that if all Fleeting Ghost does is ignore the movement penalty on a Stealth check to Become Hidden, then the feat Skill Focus: Stealth is almost always much better.  Because Fleeting Ghost explicitly grants a Stealth check instead of modifying a Stealth check you could already make, I am inclined to think MyISPHatesENWorld is correct. Smeelbo</blockquote>

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