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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4702187" data-attributes="member: 82106">I must not be explaining this in a clear enough fashion because I DO NOT claim FG is "an exception to Not Remaining Hidden and Remaining Hidden".I claim it does TWO things for FG. It lifts the restriction in the 6th phrase of the errata'd Stealth rule, "Not Remaining Hidden" in which you can NOT take a new roll in the same action in which you became 'not hidden'. (on 2nd thought that may be what you're talking about, but in any case it is my position). It gives you a roll to BECOME hidden even if you became not hidden. Since that is the ONLY case where you would not be able to make a stealth roll normally, why else would the power have that phrase? If it didn't have that phrase, then once you moved and that move revealed you, you wouldn't be able to roll again, so it HAS to be lifting that restriction.Secondly it removes the -5 penalty.SS is a slightly different case. With SS you start hidden, and if you make the roll you remain hidden and were never revealed at all. The reason it mentions a stealth roll is to make sure the DM knows that this remaining hidden function is not automatic, that it requires a new stealth roll, otherwise it would be ambiguous and people might interpret it to mean you simply lift the movement restriction on staying hidden. It also happens to lift the -5 penalty.Thus it all makes perfect sense to me. FG lets you 'dive into cover' from plain sight and become hidden, even if the movement part of FG causes you to become 'not hidden'. SS lets you sneak across an area with no cover, remaining hidden the whole way. They do slightly different things, and in some specific cases it may not even matter which you use (someone who moves but never becomes unhidden can use either one to get the -5 lifted).I really think if we sat down and played it out that we would agree on every roll. Sorry if my rules lawyerese is not quite up to putting it in tight enough words. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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