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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shayuri" data-source="post: 1153569" data-attributes="member: 4936">2. Isn't giving Darkvision AND Blindsense a little redunant at the same level? Also, you should make some benefit if the character taking the class already has Blind-Fight.-- That's not -necessarily- true... Blindsense doesn't negate the concealment for an unseen foe, so Darkvision still has some utility. On the other hand, you might consider putting Blindsense in a bit later.Personally, I would make Blind Fight a prereq for the PrC, rather than a granted power. It seems more in flavor that way.3. 50% concealment? That's a little too strong.-- Again, I don't know if I agree. Since you can't qualify for this class before level 6 (and realistically even higher), that means you can't get that feature before a -minimum- of level 9 (and again, I'd expect 12-13 to be more realistic). 50% concealment tactics are not uncommon by those levels.4. Incorporeal touch attacks do not ingore Natural Armor. Also, you should make it usuable equal to the PrC level plus Charisma. So it would be ten plus Charisma. It's not overpowered, so more uses shouldn't be a big deal. Heck, you could start this ability at a lower level in the class, so the benefit grows. Just don't put it earlier than third level.-- Actually, incorporeal touches do ignore natural armor. You're probably thinking of Brilliant Energy. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  I'm thinking that the incorporeal touch should be made precisely as if by an incorporeal creature...which is to say, no effective Str score, hit bonus is Dex modifier, etc... Just be sure to clarify little issues like that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />My own feeling about the class is that it's a bit power-heavy...which isn't necessarily a bad thing, of course. Ninja are always cool. But I'm thinking the BAB perhaps should stick to the medium cleric/rogue advancement, to reflect that you're mainly training in these neato shadow powers.I'm also thinking that some of the cooler abilities, like the Elusive Body, Weapon of Shadow, Grasping Shadow...that those should be usable only in areas where there are shadows present.Consider too the idea that Grasping Shadow, instead of being treated as Black Tentacles, might be treated as a Shadow Conjuration OF Black Tentacles...and so there's a Will save to detect it's shadowy nature, and then the percent chance to avoid it. Seems more in-theme that way.Finally...I'm a bit iffy about the Blindsight. Maybe move Blindsense to where Blindsight is now, then make the Improved Blindsight into Improved Blindsense? I only say it cuz Blindsight is pretty shucky-darn pa'arful, and this class already has a lot of goodies.Something to consider anyway.</blockquote>

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