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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 2209939" data-attributes="member: 1266">Not if the SD has spring attack, and no, only remaining hidden while making the actual attack requires the -20 penalty.From the FAQ - using a Ranger's HiPS ability for an example and a character with spring attack.1. The character begins his turn hidden (as long as he’s in natural terrain, he doesn’t even need cover or concealment).2. He moves up to a foe across natural terrain and makes an attack (making a Hide check with a –20 penalty to be considered hiding when he attacks).3. He then moves back from the foe and makes a new Hide check to disappear from view (again, he doesn’t need cover or concealment while in natural terrain).The -20 penalty is only used during the actual attack.Andy Collins and Skip Williams apparently have different play styles and interpret the rules in different ways.  The fact that both can interpret the same rule in different ways shows how ambiguous some of the rules are written (or it shows how much they want their houserules to be the rules).  In 3.0 I would say your interpretation was correct.  In 3.5 I'm certain mine is correct.</blockquote>