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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jimlock" data-source="post: 5531465" data-attributes="member: 6674931">ok...ok...ok... i guess more blood HAS to be spiled...<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/rant.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rant:" title="Rant    :rant:" data-shortname=":rant:" />Not true, Not in my experience anyway. One example: Nothing beats a good old mundane disguise. You better invest in Spot cause the roguish characters that take Disguise Seriously, are almost unbeatable.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Not true either. Statistics, if used properly are a tool. And a great one at that.I'm sure your long gone poet meant it in another way though...with "bad use" in mind... In case he meant it for all uses of statistics i have another one liner for him..."Opinions are like a-s*holes... everybody has got one"- Does not really matter who said it firstIt never was a question of which systems "allow" it, cause they all do and that's only natural.Question is which systems "promote" it.I'm sure your 2e buddies can verify that. From personal experience i say 2e didn't. Thats enough for me to conclude through LOGIC that the core classes are overshadowed.You know...i could buy that a few years back...perhaps even today...rarely though.... but lets not hide behind our finger (that translates pretty well into english actually!)... Come ooon!!! The majority picks PrCs so as to kick more a-ss than they should... If you rely on a PrC to make your character interesting... well i kinda feel sorry for you.If you rely on alternate game mechanics so as to feel "special" ... well you are totally missing the point.Majority picks PrCs so as "hack the system" as if this is what RPGs are about!!!Since day 1, players have been crying over their DM's shoulders so as to get more. DMs' primary defense mechanism is the following: "If its not in the books, you can't have it!"WotC is VERY aware of this fact... And normally... the company wants to sell more books...So... eventually the use this "greed" to sell their merchandise. Every supplement gives greater powers... and every supplement after that gives even greater powers to the players... So now the stupid player can go to his DM and say: "Look!! It's in the OFFICIAL supplement! I CAN get it now!"Naturally, the poor DM agrees, for he thinks to himself "Well... If they put it out there, they must have thought of keeping it balanced!"Hey you know what? who cares about what ROLE PLAYING Games are really about. As long as the books fly off the shelves we are doing all right!!! Almost 100% of whats in the "Complete Series" is broken and overly complicated! And then the DM witnesses his players beating their CR without a sweat.... and its a mess...The game mechanics have evolved in such a way that its no longer possible to keep track of what is going on... Every game round takes ages!You know... its even getting really hard to stand up for pen+paper games any more! What's your answer to the computer player now?With such a complicated system he now has every right to say "Hey... i'd rather let my PC do the math, while I enjoy the game!"Is it me... or are the people who wright the books we buy COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT of writing a book about Role-playing... about good story telling? Perhaps they are, perhaps they aren't. Sure is such a book won't sell. What sells is a book with a brand new PrC that kicks a-ss... a book with a brand new spell that will blow your mind off... Please... give me something that will Improve my Game, not something that underestimates my intelligence. What the hell do i need a brand new illusion spell that mimics a specific item... a specific monster ... a specific situation... while i can do all the above with a 1st level silent Image found in the players handbook? Are we so stupid that we need to be told what to replicate in a 10x10x10 feet cube? Do we lack such self confidence so as to spend money on a book that allows as to spend 2 skills points so as to be able to pinpoint an invisible target with a DC20 check? Are we so mentally helpless that we need "Swift Abjuration" so as to use abjuration spells as a swift action without penalty whatsoever... so as to make SURE that we save the Kingdom, without taking any chances of thinking of a smart way to handle the enemy? Are we so dull-witted so as to spend money on a book so as to become "Wild souls" which will give us the opportunity to get "spontaneous spells" so that we don't break our poor heads over which spells to memorize for a given encounter? How good a "specialist wizard" do we need to be so as to buy a book that allows us to become a "Master Specialist" and thus... kick even greater a-ss than we already did? Do we really want the safety of a +4 on all Saves (an immediate action-Elans) to buy a book that introduces YET ANOTHER sub system of rules... a book which gives away immediate-action-powers like candy so that we make sure we 're completely bulletproof?On a side note: Just count the number of Core books 4e has...an easy way to understand where the game is headed...No... we don't want any of that. We DON'T NEED any of that...What we need is to be able to sit around a table and ROLE play our character... To walk in his shoes, to feel his emotions, to react THROUGH him, not as a God above him while calculating his "awesomeness"...we need to "think" and be creative so as to overcome whatever the DM has prepared for us.We need to be able to play our good old class, while the player next to us does not care of how to unlock the "ultimate-superhero" that has 2 levels of this, 1 Level of that, 3 levels of this and 5levels of that.. Levels of god knows what... found in god knows where...We need to sit next to a player that does not feel that  a class of 3/2/5/1/... actually enlarges his p-enis.And you come and tell me  of how you obtained an Initiative of +16. Of what magic items you used to achieve that... well honestly, i'm sorry to say, but i don't really care. Don't mean to disrespect you. I mean that.it's just me.While i can have a discussion on rules... and i admit i enjoy it... i can only do it to the point where i feel that it helps my game, or the game in general.Beyond that i really don't see the point.Cheers</blockquote>

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