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<blockquote data-quote="UltimaGabe" data-source="post: 1937227" data-attributes="member: 16019"><p>Once again, you're missing my main point. Nowhere in the PHB- and I repeat, nowhere- does any spell do more than its description allows, with the exception of Wish and Miracle. "Sees things as they truly are" is a statement in the description which is later contradicted, and is flavor text and nothing else. If you keep using that as your evidence, you MUST explain to me how that is possible when it ignores darkness and mundane disguises. Until you do so, that piece of evidence has no merit whatsoever. Either way, you are correct in saying that they cannot take every eventuality into consideration- but, for the fourth or fifth time, THIS SPELL IS NOT OPEN-ENDED. They give a SPECIFIC list of things that the spell does. If you can tell me how this spell can do more than its specific list of uses, then I'll bow down and agree with you. BUT IT DOESN'T. There is no passage in the description allowing the spell to do more than its specific list, nor is the list even said to be "examples". THE SPELL ONLY DOES WHAT ITS SPECIFIC LIST ALLOWS. Plain and simple. There is absolutely no evidence anywhere whatsoever that allows it to do anything more than this list that isn't contradicted by its own description. (Thus, since the first sentence is contradicted by its own description, that is not evidence at all.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, as is everything I'm quoting from the SRD. You are a bit incorrect, however- the SRD does include flavor text- quite a lot of it, in fact. Check the description of the Brilliant Energy weapon ability for an example. It states, "A Brilliant Energy weapon ignores nonliving matter." It then goes on to say that ignores all armor bonuses, regardless of their source, and other things it does. The passage about "ignoring nonliving matter" has been specifically mentioned by the writers to be flavor text. Many people have made the argument that a brilliant energy weapon should ignore most natural armor, since scales and other such sources of natural armor are, actually, dead cells- and the "flavor text" of the ability describes it as ignoring natural armor. But this isn't on topic- I'm simply stating that although all italicized flavor text is left out of the SRD, there is still an amount of text that is still flavor text.</p><p></p><p>Thanee, I understand that that's your ruling and that's how you use it. However, your ruling is wrong by the core rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UltimaGabe, post: 1937227, member: 16019"] Once again, you're missing my main point. Nowhere in the PHB- and I repeat, nowhere- does any spell do more than its description allows, with the exception of Wish and Miracle. "Sees things as they truly are" is a statement in the description which is later contradicted, and is flavor text and nothing else. If you keep using that as your evidence, you MUST explain to me how that is possible when it ignores darkness and mundane disguises. Until you do so, that piece of evidence has no merit whatsoever. Either way, you are correct in saying that they cannot take every eventuality into consideration- but, for the fourth or fifth time, THIS SPELL IS NOT OPEN-ENDED. They give a SPECIFIC list of things that the spell does. If you can tell me how this spell can do more than its specific list of uses, then I'll bow down and agree with you. BUT IT DOESN'T. There is no passage in the description allowing the spell to do more than its specific list, nor is the list even said to be "examples". THE SPELL ONLY DOES WHAT ITS SPECIFIC LIST ALLOWS. Plain and simple. There is absolutely no evidence anywhere whatsoever that allows it to do anything more than this list that isn't contradicted by its own description. (Thus, since the first sentence is contradicted by its own description, that is not evidence at all.) Yes, as is everything I'm quoting from the SRD. You are a bit incorrect, however- the SRD does include flavor text- quite a lot of it, in fact. Check the description of the Brilliant Energy weapon ability for an example. It states, "A Brilliant Energy weapon ignores nonliving matter." It then goes on to say that ignores all armor bonuses, regardless of their source, and other things it does. The passage about "ignoring nonliving matter" has been specifically mentioned by the writers to be flavor text. Many people have made the argument that a brilliant energy weapon should ignore most natural armor, since scales and other such sources of natural armor are, actually, dead cells- and the "flavor text" of the ability describes it as ignoring natural armor. But this isn't on topic- I'm simply stating that although all italicized flavor text is left out of the SRD, there is still an amount of text that is still flavor text. Thanee, I understand that that's your ruling and that's how you use it. However, your ruling is wrong by the core rules. [/QUOTE]
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