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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hawken" data-source="post: 1939614" data-attributes="member: 23619">Yes, of course. As written in the description, any shadow within 10' that is not the Shadowdancer's own shadow.  Says who? If that is your opinion, that's fine for your game. But you're missing out on what is stated. When it specifically states that also the Shadowdancer cannot hide in her own shadow, it is directly inferring that the Shadowdancer uses other nearby shadows to hide in. Where did you get that the nearby shadow cannot be used for concealment, when it is an explicit requirement for the ability to be used in the first place? Where in the description of the ability did you get that the Shadowdancer must do something less direct with the shadow? I must have missed that part! And since having a shadow within 10' is a requirement for Hide in Plain Sight to work, it definitely is related to the concealing power (or lack thereof in the face of True Seeing) of darkness. So, making something up and disregarding the description in favor of "the proximity of shadows fueling her power to hide" (which is a skill not a power) makes more sense than the shadows somehow hiding the shadowdancer? Something that is implied in the description anyway! Of course, if its a game you're running, you're free to do so, but nothing in the description, as written, comes even close to supporting that idea. Again, this is not something specified in the item description so your claim that the shadowdancer is not in the shadow is invalid for purposes of this thread and not your own game. It is directly implied that the shadowdancer uses the shadow to somehow hide in. And I say "somehow" because I cannot think of how, short of magical concealment, that someone could use a shadow in which to hide. And magical concealment is something that True Seeing overcomes. Maybe there is a 'reality warp' or whatever which allows the shadowdancer to hide? That would be a displacing effect which is something that True Seeing specifically beats.  Darkvision? That has nothing to do with this issue. You're trying to compare apples and oranges and muddy up the issue. Darkvision vs. Hide in Plain Sight is an entirely separate issue. You're trying to use my arguments on one issue against me on an entirely different issue.</blockquote>

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