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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1939883" data-attributes="member: 478">Ok. That part with the plane of shadows (in my initial post), now really is just flavor text... if the MotP does specify, that this cannot be the case, that's really no problem at all... the point is, that I think, the shadowdancer needs "shadow" to create something in a magical way to be able to hide. He can do that anywhere within 10 ft. of some shadow.It's the proximity to the shadow (the shadowdancer's feeble magics do not work without such a source, unlike real magic from wizards, for example), which is important.Agreed.Like the one I am using (w/o the PoS flavor <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)?Yes, a magical trick.Uhm... no. The shadowdancer does not move from the spot.Again, no, ...That's the question.Uhm...So it's an illusion then, yes? That's what illusions do. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />If it not actually moves the shadowdancer, but just let's the shadowdancer appear to have move... then it should be labeled as an illusion.It is not, as you said yourself, thus this makes no sense.So again, it works similar to invisibility... an illusion?Ah, right. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />A rather minor, reality-distorting, weak, spacial-bending magic, which is not just an illusion, yet is able to let something appear as it not really is...Wait... True Seeing says, it let's you see all things as they really are...Hmm... then it should work just fine, no? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Well, according to the RAW you can hide in a shadow. So this point is moot.Yes, a bright orange cape would not be the best kind of garb then. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />That's what circumstance modifiers are for... -10 would sound appropriate then, I think.But back to the topic...Uhm... "true darkness" in D&D provides shadowy illumination.No, he's not, he's standing in the open. At least according to the RAW.So? If he's standing in full view, True Seeing detects him... that "appears" part is exactly what True Seeing is meant to see through.Or is it that fabulous illusory non-illusion again?And where exactly is the object in front of the shadowdancer, who is standing in the open?Without moving near the orc, who could be 10-15 ft. away... not bad! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Yeah, if the stirge was simply hiding.There I agree. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Well, see above. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />You don't find it "logical" (well, as logical as a magical effect could be), that the shadowdancer creates something using the proximity of the shadow as a conduit for the magic of the supernatural ability, which allows him to hide on the spot?Without moving, without a Wish-like ability to distort reality, without appearing somewhere else, but still being where he is, yet using no illusory magic whatsoever?Anyways, hope the above doesn't come along as too snippish, I just don't find it very convincing (the whole "appears to be" thing). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />But it's good to see, that you basically come to the same conclusion, that the text alone does not suffice to explain the ability properly and completely, and that a DM has to add something (mostly flavor) to make it work in a believable and consistent way, while interacting with other abilities, such as True Seeing. This can take many forms... and depending on the specifics, True Seeing might work, or it might not.I'm just objecting if people say, that according to the RAW, True Seeing does not work against HiPS, since the RAW simply does not cover that case properly. It's undefined.ByeThanee</blockquote>

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