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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1944353" data-attributes="member: 5777">So you read, 'simply hiding is not the same as hiding' as something different than what I said? Very odd <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Especially as it doesnt even read as saying something outside of the rules, merely a common mode of speaking. There isnt any reason to think that 'simply hiding' means that only the baseline hideskill with no modifications from any other sources. Such as spells, powers, feats, whatever.There really isnt any difference in that case if someone had a supernatural ability to cut the penatly for snipping in half or has the supernatural ability to hide in some other special case. Just because it happens to need a shadownearby is meaningless since it doesnt mention anything that falls into the categories given by truesight.If those magical or nonmagical ways fall within the bounds of what true seeing can peirce? Sure, go for it. Such as a darkness spell or something. Which the shadow dancers ability is nothing like.Seriously, there really isnt any reason to assume true seeing can foil it. Hiding is listed specifically as foiling true seeing and hide in plain sight merely modifies when hide may be used. Nothing about becoming shadowy, illusory, invisible, or anything like that. Simply hiding.Since they both have effectively the same effect with a similar requirement why? Why is one exempt while the other is not? Because one is magical? Doesnt matter, they both do the same thing and true sight doesnt specify that it works on them.Things as they actually are, if people wish to say that means seeing the shadowdancer then it must also work on the ranger.Hey, depending on how it hides you go for it. There are lots of spells that can still keep one hidden from true sight, and one that specifically mentions that it solely works against true sight could certainly be of a lower level than true sight.Gah, I am out of here for now, the amount of, 'but hiding doesnt actually mean hiding' through several pages of this thread is just plain depressing. When something is specifically called out and people still say that it isnt true.. wow.. just plain wow.</blockquote>

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