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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9679608" data-attributes="member: 18">I don't think there is disagreement over the ethics of that issue, actually. Certainly none has been expressed by the relevant poster. Merely that there is a significant perceived degree of inconvenience, and I offer that said inconvenience is perhaps overstated.Also &quot;come with clean hands&quot; is a very basic principle of human interaction - it's one of the main elements of good faith. You can't really complain about ethics and classism when you're apparently suggesting it would be classist/unethical to judge you for using a tool that is itself inherently unethical (and frankly, even OpenAI's own internal emails suggest even they thought what they were doing was least &quot;a-ethical&quot; as it were - but they have some weird and terrifying faux-moral philosophies going on there, like &quot;effective altruism&quot; - which is neither effective nor altruistic!) and based directly and unarguably (and it is unarguable) on the exploitation of actual workers and their work by the ultra-wealthy.No, it wouldn't. But we're talking about selling RPGs (c.f. &quot;saleable&quot; etc.), and the people who buy RPGs and modules are not the same as the general public. At all. Especially indie and small-press RPGs. They tend, for example, to be much more concerned with issues like social justice, much more pro-LGBT, and yes, much dubious about AI than the general public. They also are more likely to value cool or weird art over the bland, overworked, oddly horny and instantly forgettable stuff AI now spews out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9679608, member: 18"] I don't think there is disagreement over the ethics of that issue, actually. Certainly none has been expressed by the relevant poster. Merely that there is a significant perceived degree of inconvenience, and I offer that said inconvenience is perhaps overstated. Also "come with clean hands" is a very basic principle of human interaction - it's one of the main elements of good faith. You can't really complain about ethics and classism when you're apparently suggesting it would be classist/unethical to judge you for using a tool that is itself inherently unethical (and frankly, even OpenAI's own internal emails suggest even they thought what they were doing was least "a-ethical" as it were - but they have some weird and terrifying faux-moral philosophies going on there, like "effective altruism" - which is neither effective nor altruistic!) and based directly and unarguably (and it is unarguable) on the exploitation of actual workers and their work by the ultra-wealthy. No, it wouldn't. But we're talking about selling RPGs (c.f. "saleable" etc.), and the people who buy RPGs and modules are not the same as the general public. At all. Especially indie and small-press RPGs. They tend, for example, to be much more concerned with issues like social justice, much more pro-LGBT, and yes, much dubious about AI than the general public. They also are more likely to value cool or weird art over the bland, overworked, oddly horny and instantly forgettable stuff AI now spews out. [/QUOTE]

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