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<blockquote data-quote="evildmguy" data-source="post: 647752" data-attributes="member: 6092">Lots of good stuff here!&nbsp; Good discussion!&nbsp; imo, I think the gaming mechanics help determine role playing.&nbsp; If bullets are deadly, a la Shadowrun or Alternity, then players won't rush the bad guys head on.&nbsp; If there are hit points, though, my players will rush a tank with a dagger and piece of string!&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I do agree that all RPGs only do a simulation of combat.&nbsp; I personally love Alternity's version.&nbsp; I say this because I think it allows for a heroic style, if wanted, but has realism built in.&nbsp; The thing about the Alternity system is that because the rules are there, there is a LOT you can ignore and it doesn't mess up the game.&nbsp; DND doesn't work too well without all of its pieces.&nbsp; (Read Monte Cook's LOS on how the DND hit point systems won't work with armor used as damage reduction.)&nbsp; DND's system does work within its own context, though, and it is simple enough that new players can pick up the game and start playing.&nbsp; In the end, that's more important to me.&nbsp; TSJ:&nbsp; Alternity does NOT have levels.&nbsp; I say it this way because levels, to a DND audience, mean a different thing.&nbsp; Alternity is completely skill based.&nbsp; The &quot;levels&quot; that are there are only to indicate when points can be spent to improve skills.&nbsp; They aren't levels in the sense of DND.&nbsp; Otherwise, I agree with what you said!&nbsp; As to the thread, I still don't want to see a d20 Shadowrun.&nbsp; I am *sick* of everyone asking for their favorite or old games to be converted to d20.&nbsp; Maybe that's because I don't think d20 is the end all be all game mechanic that lots of people seem to think it is.&nbsp; That's just my opinion.edg</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evildmguy, post: 647752, member: 6092"] Lots of good stuff here! Good discussion! imo, I think the gaming mechanics help determine role playing. If bullets are deadly, a la Shadowrun or Alternity, then players won't rush the bad guys head on. If there are hit points, though, my players will rush a tank with a dagger and piece of string! :) I do agree that all RPGs only do a simulation of combat. I personally love Alternity's version. I say this because I think it allows for a heroic style, if wanted, but has realism built in. The thing about the Alternity system is that because the rules are there, there is a LOT you can ignore and it doesn't mess up the game. DND doesn't work too well without all of its pieces. (Read Monte Cook's LOS on how the DND hit point systems won't work with armor used as damage reduction.) DND's system does work within its own context, though, and it is simple enough that new players can pick up the game and start playing. In the end, that's more important to me. TSJ: Alternity does NOT have levels. I say it this way because levels, to a DND audience, mean a different thing. Alternity is completely skill based. The "levels" that are there are only to indicate when points can be spent to improve skills. They aren't levels in the sense of DND. Otherwise, I agree with what you said! As to the thread, I still don't want to see a d20 Shadowrun. I am *sick* of everyone asking for their favorite or old games to be converted to d20. Maybe that's because I don't think d20 is the end all be all game mechanic that lots of people seem to think it is. That's just my opinion. edg [/QUOTE]

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