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<blockquote data-quote="jeff37923" data-source="post: 2098868" data-attributes="member: 26008"><p>I didn't know that my opinion would incite such a reaction from a person of high post count. </p><p></p><p>Now, since I have been jumped on for having an opinion - I'll just go ahead and defend it. All of the following is IMHO, by the way. I am not trying to attack anyone here, I'm just saying what I believe and giving the reasons for those beliefs.</p><p></p><p>First, I find <em>Shadowrun</em> to be fundamentally flawed as a concept because the cyberpunk genre is one of science fiction - having elements of high fantasy mixed in there does not fit with the genre. The cyberpunk genre is usually dystopian, focussed on information technology, and has a primary theme being the alienation and dehumanization of people through technology. Changing people into elves, dwarves, ogres, and whatnot (part of the <em>Shadowrun</em> background) through magic is not dehumanization, it is transformation without the degrading side effects. Sorry, but I just don't like it as the premise.</p><p></p><p>Second, the <em>Dark Sun</em> setting is a dystopian world which has suffered an ecological catastrophe due to the overuse of magic where the leaders control the flow of knowledge and use magic to keep the populace subjugated. Many cyberpunk settings are in a world that has been ecologically destroyed through pollution where megacorporations rule through the use of artificial intelligence controlled information networks to limit what the population knows. One is science fiction and uses technology while the other is fantasy and uses magic, otherwise the settings are remarkably similar in their effects. </p><p></p><p>Third, lets shoot a stormtrooper. In the <em>Star Wars</em> movies, its usually one shot - one kill. Assuming a hit and using the same gun (blaster pistol) and average damage rolls, in the <em>WEG d6 Star Wars </em> the stormtrooper is either wounded or incapacitated (causing the stormtrooper to be either out of action for 1 turn or unconscious, out) while in the <em>d20 Star Wars</em> universe that same stormtrooper is still standing and must be shot again before it is rendered combat ineffective (at average die rolls the storntrooper makes his consciousness save the first shot, still in). That is a comparison of how the rules function in two different game systems for the exact same action. </p><p></p><p>Now, with that being said and done, should you choose to claim that my opinion is bordering on ridiculous then please be able demonstrate why it is - that way a discussion may actually evolve out of exchange. Normally I don't get miffed by someone being pompous on a message board, but you caught me on an off day.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jeff37923, post: 2098868, member: 26008"] I didn't know that my opinion would incite such a reaction from a person of high post count. Now, since I have been jumped on for having an opinion - I'll just go ahead and defend it. All of the following is IMHO, by the way. I am not trying to attack anyone here, I'm just saying what I believe and giving the reasons for those beliefs. First, I find [I]Shadowrun[/I] to be fundamentally flawed as a concept because the cyberpunk genre is one of science fiction - having elements of high fantasy mixed in there does not fit with the genre. The cyberpunk genre is usually dystopian, focussed on information technology, and has a primary theme being the alienation and dehumanization of people through technology. Changing people into elves, dwarves, ogres, and whatnot (part of the [I]Shadowrun[/I] background) through magic is not dehumanization, it is transformation without the degrading side effects. Sorry, but I just don't like it as the premise. Second, the [I]Dark Sun[/I] setting is a dystopian world which has suffered an ecological catastrophe due to the overuse of magic where the leaders control the flow of knowledge and use magic to keep the populace subjugated. Many cyberpunk settings are in a world that has been ecologically destroyed through pollution where megacorporations rule through the use of artificial intelligence controlled information networks to limit what the population knows. One is science fiction and uses technology while the other is fantasy and uses magic, otherwise the settings are remarkably similar in their effects. Third, lets shoot a stormtrooper. In the [I]Star Wars[/I] movies, its usually one shot - one kill. Assuming a hit and using the same gun (blaster pistol) and average damage rolls, in the [I]WEG d6 Star Wars [/I] the stormtrooper is either wounded or incapacitated (causing the stormtrooper to be either out of action for 1 turn or unconscious, out) while in the [I]d20 Star Wars[/I] universe that same stormtrooper is still standing and must be shot again before it is rendered combat ineffective (at average die rolls the storntrooper makes his consciousness save the first shot, still in). That is a comparison of how the rules function in two different game systems for the exact same action. Now, with that being said and done, should you choose to claim that my opinion is bordering on ridiculous then please be able demonstrate why it is - that way a discussion may actually evolve out of exchange. Normally I don't get miffed by someone being pompous on a message board, but you caught me on an off day. [/QUOTE]
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