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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shayuri" data-source="post: 6583686" data-attributes="member: 4936">Hm, is that a house rule? This is how I have seen the 5th Ed hacking rules work so far, but admittedly I've only played one other game...and in that game I wasn't the hacker, so I am not as up to snuff on those rules as I might otherwise be. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Matrix Perception is opposed by icons who are running silently. Any icon not running silently has no defense. Successful checks allow the hacker to learn attributes of any icons noticed, limited by the number of successes. However, there's no risk involved in making perception checks...failing just means you don't get any information. A botch could be ruled as accidentally calling attention to oneself, I s'pose...but it seems like getting false information would be equally, if not more, appropriate. The system would not notice Echo automatically as she is running silently, however any icon within it that is making Matrix Perception checks (usually an IC program or a security-employed hacker) can try to find her. How often such checks are made, and how large the dice pool is depends very much on the level of Matrix security. It's possible they rely mostly on the faraday cage and physical security. It's also possible they're very vigilant and have Patrol IC sweeping the system every initiative pass. Someplace in between is most likely. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Echo's next action will most likely be to start trying to mark the host, in an attempt to A) Map the devices in the network, and B) Progressively gain control over the network as a whole. Marking the host, if I recall right, effectively marks all the devices slaved TO the host. Without Grid Overwatch, the main risk in doing so is that the marks themselves can potentially be noticed. This doesn't necessarily mean Echo will be found...but it does mean they'd know someone was in the system without permission, and could escalate the security response.SO...to sort of answer my own questions a little bit:Any icon in the network that's not running silently, Echo should be able to at least 'see.' Whether or not she can learn anything more about them than their mere existence would be up to a Matrix Perception check. That check might also reveal the presence of icons that are running silently within the network. An 'icon' is any device or program that is active within the Matrix.She wouldn't have any ability to access an icon's functions without first getting a mark on it...either by marking it directly via hacking, or through hacking the host and getting a mark on it. So she could see a camera on the network, but not THROUGH a camera, until she has it marked. She could see an IC program if it was active, but couldn't take actions against it without either a mark, or cybercombat.</blockquote>

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