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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tglassy" data-source="post: 7477999" data-attributes="member: 6855204">Have you ever brought a knife to a gun fight?  A pistol is superior in every way to even a sword.  You come at me with a sword, all I have to do is back away and keep shooting until you're down.  Oh wait, I'm only allows to shoot one bullet every six seconds, and then I have to wait until you have a turn to come back at me.  Oh, and my moving backwards is going to give you an opportunity attack. Because you're right, people aren't holding still when they're in a real fight, and moving away from someone's reach doesn't actually give you an opportunity attack.  That is pure gameplay right there and has no basis in real life.  If I'm in mortal combat with one guy, I'm not going to go "hold on, your friend is running past me, and I want to get my opportunity attack."  So for "compensating for how hard it is to shoot someone while trying not to be hit", it's not that hard.  It is, in fact, so ridiculously easy to dodge someone with a knife that it's not even funny.  The only thing you need is room to maneuver.  So if I have a gun, and you have a knife, and we have room to move, you die, I life, the end.  And the only reason a sword is different is because it has a little more reach.  In every "Real Life" situation, anyone even remotely trained with a pistol can shoot someone center mass five feet away without even having to be looking at them, much less be aiming.  And if I shoot you center mass, you are going down.  Period.  Maybe if you're charging me, or already in the middle of your attack, then you might be able to swing your sword or stab me.  But if you're attacking me, not only am I looking right at you, but I'm moving away from your knife at the same speed you are moving towards me, and I will still be able to shoot you five or six times in that six second period. in fact, a child who has never held a gun before can shoot out five or six rounds in six seconds because with most of these guns all you need to do is keep squeezing the trigger.  Swords and knives take training.  If you didn't have that training in the old days, you died if you came upon someone who did.  Guns take a trigger finger.  An untrained gunman can kill a trained gunman when they are within five feet.  It's not about training, then, it's about who gets a shot off first.  God didn't make men equal.  Mr. Colt did.  Not to mention the fact that if I am only five feet away from you, and especially if I get the drop on you, I will likely be aiming for your head (thank you halo).  One shot, you're hit points are negative your maximum health regardless that you were at full health and had a thousand temporary hit points.  Your brains are flying out the back of your skull. So if you want to get "as close a representation of real life logic and physics as it can", then let me fire five or six shots from my pistol per round, untrained, and let my robot hold down the trigger.  An AK47 can fire up to 600 rounds a minute.  That's 10 rounds per second.  So, in that six second period, it should be able to fire 60 rounds.  I don't care if there's a -2 penalty to attack per consecutive shot, in 60 rounds, he should be able to get a crit or 10 and hit regardless.  But no, we just say "oh, that's spray and pray, so they make a sex save and take 3d6 damage on a fail."  What?  60 rounds!  and if you're within 5 feet ALL SIXTY ROUNDS HIT YOU.  Period.  This is why they don't do guns in D&D, because having to make them on par with melee is just freaking ridiculous.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to make firearms on par with melee fighting for fun's sake.  I'm just saying that having rules like "firearms have disadvantage in melee, because it's realistic" is ridiculous, because the closer someone is, the easier it is to hit them, and the more damage the guns do.  And if should NOT take "a little training" to make that the case, because if anything, it is an innate quality firearms have.  It is EASIER for an UNTRAINED person to hit you from five feet away than it is for them to hit you from ten feet away.</blockquote>

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