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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shin Okada" data-source="post: 3905834" data-attributes="member: 1956">I agree with you that shadows and other incorporeal monsters are threat to even high-level parties, comparing to other monsters of same CR. But I can point out several things for that situation, too.1. DM should not be lazy and roll initiative for entire bunch of monsters. If all the monsters in a encounter acts in the first turn at once and concentrate attacks on one PC, it is always dangerous. Experienced DM should take effort to roll initiative for each monsters or maybe each 1/6 -1/4 of the monsters in a certain encounter.2. 4 CR3 Shadows, is an EL 7 encounter. If the encounter is started intentionally by the DM at when the rogue is distracted, it will at least raise the EL to 8. Maybe other environment, which favores shadow (like very narrow dungeon corridor and the incorporeal shadow were waiting for their victim within a wall), it can be EL 9 encounger and if PCs are very unlucky (no one noticed the shadow, and a low touch AC character was happen to be standing in the nearest position to the shadows, etc.) it may happen.3. Their attacks are still not automatic hit. 10th-level cleric with even dex of 8 should have touch AC slightly better than 9 (with ring of protection and such). 11 could be a reasonable number I say. Now shadow's attack bonus is only +3, need 8+ to hit. So amongst 4 shadows, 1 or 2 will likely to miss. 2d6-3d6 is 7-10.5 in average and usually clerics have higher str (they do melee, don't they). 14 or 16 is popular. Maybe she is lucky she already has a pair of gauntlet of ogre power and now have enough strength to withstand those attacks for at least 1 round.4. Shadows are Int 6 monsters who cannot talk (read MM). If they are taking well-coodinated umbush tactics and immediately finding the most vulnerable target and then concentrate all of their attacks by their wits alone, the DM is not role playing them appropriately.</blockquote>

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