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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mordane76" data-source="post: 1404742" data-attributes="member: 7172">But, to gain this ability and make good use of it, the Shadowthorne gives up further sneak attack progression until... well, around 16th character level.  Looking at this, a Rog6/Sha10 has 3d6 sneak attack that he can use up to 60 feet away.  A Rog16 has a IIRC 8d6 sneak attack (don't have the book here, so I'm trying to remember), but can only use that with 30 feet... I think the trade is fair.  Extended to 20th level -- a Rog10/Sha10 has 5d6 sneak attack that he can use at up to 60 feet, while the Rog20 has 10d6 sneak attack that he can use at up to 30 feet.  They both have a plethora of skills (the Rog20 has a lot more skills, though), and each has a dazzling array of special abilities, just of differing tastes; although the ones the Shadowthorne grants are pretty good.  The Rog20 has a lower BAB than the Rog10/Sha10, the same saves, but the Rog20 has more hitpoints.So... The Rog20 wins in skills, HP and, IMO sneak attack.The Rog10/Sha10 wins in BAB and, IMO special abilities.They tie in saves.It's a pretty fair trade.</blockquote>